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It's hard to imagine anyone spending 85, or even $80k, for a 2021 M4 that stickered for $92k,two years earlier. But again, who know. For my sake, I hope you're wrong. Otherwise, I'll need to accept a much less desirable solution for buying a car in 16-18 months. And, for what will almost certainly be my last car purchase, that would be very disheartening. |
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10-17-2021, 12:50 AM | #24 |
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The F8x is a great car, but the G8x represents the incorporation of too many learnings and fixes and improvements by BMW M to consider going back.
-Handling is much improved. The front end grip combined with the rear end stability yields a far more confidence-inspiring drive than the old car. And there’s materially more performance. The car outperforms the size and weight specs. This is as close to a current-gen 911 S as an M3 has ever gotten. -Steering is sharper, with practically no dead zone. -Power delivery is improved. It’s managed noticeably better at the wheels, with wheelspin happening less of the time when unintended, and more controllable when intended. The powerband is a return to old-school M, low-end softness paired with an exciting high-revving payoff. S58 is reliable with no known common issues. -Interior quality is improved. It’s got better use of leather, carbon fiber, aluminum, and high-quality plastics splashed on a more modern design. The leather doesn’t wear as fast as the leather in F82 (standard seats; not sure about CF buckets). M1/M2 button placement is much better and encourages liberal use (I sometimes switch modes for individual corners). -Updated tech. Full-screen CarPlay, full 360 surround view, ventilated/cooled seat option, improved HUD graphics, power trunk, proximity Comfort Access, remote start (Comp-only, though a few 6MT folks got it enabled), laser high beams, independent exhaust valve control, independent rev-matching toggle (6MT), new iDrive, (somewhat) useful voice assistant, digital cluster with lots of display options. -Updated looks. As beautiful as the F8x is, it can’t be ignored that we’ve been staring at it since its debut as a 99% complete concept at Pebble Beach in August 2013. The G8x is by default the newer and fresher design. I think it looks more special than an F82 stock vs. stock; things like the larger exhaust pipes and aggressive diffuser trim, air curtains through the front bumper that are visible through the wheel well from behind, the overall size and width, and the grilles make it clear where the car sits on the overall totem pole. It’s arguably the most aggressive stock M3/M4 design yet. I’ve received lots of compliments from several folks covering a wide demographic. I’m fortunate to be one of those who ended up loving the design when I finally saw it in person. It took me until the first time I took the car around a corner at speed to really warm up to it, as the comfort and refinement at lower speeds are initially deceiving. The handling is a revelation coming out of an F8x. Then I came out of break-in, took it to redline, and that sealed the deal. It manages to excel at both daily driving and actual track work. No M3 has ever struck this balance this well right out of the box. I think this is the M3 that BMW M has always tried to build. |
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10-17-2021, 04:10 AM | #26 | |
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Not to mention real world figures have the g8x within 100lb of the f8x. It also sounds a lot better |
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Especially the garbage eps those cars came with and unpredictable rear end. It definitely doesn't look more fun getting gap'd by a car with just a Racechip from any speed when you're fbo with e85. And in what world are m cars not a balance of luxury and performance? I'll certainly admit the f87 is definitely more fun. F82 is just worse. |
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10-17-2021, 10:36 AM | #30 | |
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Wow, I've heard a lot of potential negatives for the future, but not any serious inflation. Of course, who really knows? However, per the recent predictions by national financial experts, and my financial team, we are likely heading for a serious economic drop in the US somewhere between this coming spring and early summer. But that causes the opposite effect. Houses and used car and other significant things drop in price, and value.
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Has anyone experienced that, just for reference? |
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10-17-2021, 01:13 PM | #33 | ||
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Some might think it's fun and to a certain degree I do too, but having driven my g82 with bald tires now I don't miss the rear end being less than confidence inspiring. F82 is still a great car worth every penny! The g82 is just lots easier to balance through a corner without battling the oversteer threshold. |
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10-17-2021, 01:24 PM | #34 |
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When I’m on a drive with friends, a chassis that likes to pogo and a rear end that steps out all the time aren’t fun. That stuff gets in the way. Much better to be in the car that handles the Gs like a champ and closes gaps with relative ease.
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10-17-2021, 01:37 PM | #35 | |
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I went from an F87 to the G80. I miss the drama of the DCT the most but everything else outside that and steering feel are improvements.
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Most likely the ZF offered better fuel economy numbers, and allows them to standardize on one automatic system rather than continuing to invest in DCTs. It's not a satisfying answer but likely comes down to $$$.
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We also have big energy cost increases coming just in time for winter as well. Hasn't hit as hard here yet compared to the EU and Asia, but watch what happens with propane costs and natgas over the next 60-90 days. A lot of companies out there have held back pricing increases because the Fed and others said it was transitory. They took that to mean that there would be a quick increase and then we would see deflation and price normalization. What the Fed really meant was we will see a large price spike and then inflation, not prices, will normalize. Now they are worried that the higher inflation they have been trying to drive, will stay around a lot longer than they expected. That is likely to occur at the same time as the slow down in the global economy (for multiple reasons, new cold war with China, consumers are not willing to spend their Covid savings, continued consumer pessimism on new variants, etc) and we could see a nasty bout of stagflation. |
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Overall 0-60 and 1/4 mile times of the G8x platform smash the F8x as do track times. Could they be quicker with DCT, possible. Doubtful that anyone would really notice a few millisecond reduction in shift times during real world usage even on the track. |
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I like being able to shift 2-3 midcorner and not worry about upsetting the car's balance. |
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And I shift at 7k to avoid the rev limiter slowing the shifts down. The DCT definitely has more of sports car feel to it, but the ZF8 is no slouch either. |
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