[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by AhsanU

What the shit did I just read?

Theyre both RWD and the M4 has significantly more torque and significantly more power.....

Maybe a bit of research before spewing bullshit on a forum.

^^^^^^° THIS

[Chicane_]

Picked up my CSL today. Initial observations after 50km:

- Upshifts are rapid and emotive.
- Gear ratios are very close together. Not sure I've ever driven a car that required so much interaction with the gearbox. 765LT probably comes close.
- Sound is throaty and purposeful.
- It's a torque monster although I kept the RPMs reasonably low to respect the break-in recommendation.
- Good feedback through the chassis and steering.

It's like an M4 and GT2 RS had a baby. I'm a sucker for highly tuned turbocharged engines and this one fits the bill.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Chicane_

Picked up my CSL today. Initial observations after 50km:

- Upshifts are rapid and emotive.
- Gear ratios are very close together. Not sure I've ever driven a car that required so much interaction with the gearbox. 765LT probably comes close.
- Sound is throaty and purposeful.
- It's a torque monster although I kept the RPMs reasonably low to respect the break-in recommendation.
- Good feedback through the chassis and steering.

It's like an M4 and GT2 RS had a baby. I'm a sucker for highly tuned turbocharged engines and this one fits the bill.

Congratulations, what a catch

Can't wait till we hear more

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by AhsanU

What the shit did I just read?

Theyre both RWD and the M4 has significantly more torque and significantly more power. Porsche doesn't really underrate their power figures like BMW does:

https://www.motor1.com/news/615714/b...ore-power/amp/

Maybe a bit of research before spewing bullshit on a forum.

Maybe you also need to do some research .

BMW does not “underrate” their engines. Testing standards are highly regulated. It has to do with how modern turbocharged engines behave very differently in steady state (constant rpm) vs transient state (while accelerating) compared to NA engines. Sadly, this makes it difficult to directly compare turbo and NA engine solely based on their official power rating numbers. Porsche turbo engines will seem just as underrated as BMW turbo engines do.

I’ve said it many times, I believe the closest competitor the G82 CSL in the Porsche lineup in terms of performance and price is the 911 GTS with lightweight package. I am looking forward to a comparison between these two.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by 2008M36MT

My point still holds regardless of the oversight. Shitty design. The next one will probably protect gears one and two because too much torque lol. Or maybe limit throttle to 50% through gear 2. Meanwhile Porsche will do more with less.

It’s not a “shitty” design for the reason you mention. IMO, it has nothing to do with “protecting” 1st gear from a mechanical standpoint. It is rather that the gearing of the 1st gear is too demultiplied to put the power down on the RWD G8X applications. All RWD 8AT G8X launch in 2nd gear when using launch control. IMO, the gearing was built to optimize the AWD applications of the G8X, that have sufficient traction to launch in 1st gear. It is “shitty” design in the sense that the RWD G8X need to carry the weight, inertia and drivetrain loss of a completely useless gear.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Chicane_

Picked up my CSL today. Initial observations after 50km:

- Upshifts are rapid and emotive.
- Gear ratios are very close together. Not sure I've ever driven a car that required so much interaction with the gearbox. 765LT probably comes close.
- Sound is throaty and purposeful.
- It's a torque monster although I kept the RPMs reasonably low to respect the break-in recommendation.
- Good feedback through the chassis and steering.

It's like an M4 and GT2 RS had a baby. I'm a sucker for highly tuned turbocharged engines and this one fits the bill.

Nice, finally some initial thoughts from someone. Can we get some initial comparison with the M5 CS (the car which it will always be compared to cause of how much of a classic it is) you had, especially when it comes to steering, weight management, ride etc ? May be too early for all those thoughts.

[Purekoryo]

Drag racing these two types of cars are like two drag queens strutting on stage; unsettling and not so entertaining.

[Chicane_]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Nice, finally some initial thoughts from someone. Can we get some initial comparison with the M5 CS (the car which it will always be compared to cause of how much of a classic it is) you had, especially when it comes to steering, weight management, ride etc ? May be too early for all those thoughts.

The CSL feels much more motorsport - firmer ride, more direct steering, much louder, kick in the pants upshifts and a overall enhanced sense of connectedness to the road (I suspect the solidly mounted rear suspension subframe is the main reason for this). The engine seems to have more turbo lag which adds to the drama.

It's an overall more special experience in my opinion. Will try to accumulate some more miles this weekend.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Chicane_

The CSL feels much more motorsport - firmer ride, more direct steering, much louder, kick in the pants upshifts and a overall enhanced sense of connectedness to the road (I suspect the solidly mounted rear suspension subframe is the main reason for this). The engine seems to have more turbo lag which adds to the drama.

It's an overall more special experience in my opinion. Will try to accumulate some more miles this weekend.

Does your car have the manual or auto buckets?

[Chicane_]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Does your car have the manual or auto buckets?

It has the carbon race buckets (only fore/aft adjustment).

[jmxtrem]

logical

[BDP_FL]

Originally Posted by 2008M36MT

My point still holds regardless of the oversight. Shitty design. The next one will probably protect gears one and two because too much torque lol. Or maybe limit throttle to 50% through gear 2. Meanwhile Porsche will do more with less.

[QUOTE=2008M36MT;29502302][QUOTE=AhsanU;29502177]

Dude, lol, what're you talking about??? Launching in second is a good thing. Especially with RWD, you're avoiding a gear change, and you're avoiding wheel slip while not missing out on putting power down in 2nd. All in all, you get a better launch, skip a gear change, and it's easier on the transmission. I'm not understanding where you think this is a bad thing.

[vbb]

While everyone is correctly pointing out that these two cars were not engineered to win drag races, everyone also seems to be forgetting that the majority of people that buy either the GT3 or the M4 CSL will not be tracking their vehicles ever. What they will be far more likely to do is stoplight or highway rips here and there...so testing straight line rapid acceleration figures is actually relevant to the majority.

[Chicane_]

Originally Posted by vbb

While everyone is correctly pointing out that these two cars were not engineered to win drag races, everyone also seems to be forgetting that the majority of people that buy either the GT3 or the M4 CSL will not be tracking their vehicles ever. What they will be far more likely to do is stoplight or highway rips here and there...so testing straight line rapid acceleration figures is actually relevant to the majority.

I agree with this. Acceleration is one of the few performance traits that can be safely explored on public roads, within reason of course.

On a straight road, which is what I'm driving on 99% of the time, I'll even say the CSL is more exciting to drive than a GT3.

[vbb]

Originally Posted by Chicane_

On a straight road, which is what I'm driving on 99% of the time, I'll even say the CSL is more exciting to drive than a GT3.

While I am not doubting you, especially since you own a CSL and would know, I'd probably still take the GT3 in that particular scenario.

Still though, 0-60 and quarter mile times will always be important performance metrics to the majority of buyers. Not everyone can try and set lap times on a track, but everyone can rip it at a stoplight with nothing in front of you. I'm not saying that's all that matters, but I am saying that it does matter.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by vbb

While I am not doubting you, especially since you own a CSL and would know, I'd probably still take the GT3 in that particular scenario.

Still though, 0-60 and quarter mile times will always be important performance metrics to the majority of buyers. Not everyone can try and set lap times on a track, but everyone can rip it at a stoplight with nothing in front of you. I'm not saying that's all that matters, but I am saying that it does matter.

You'd have to drive both cars, honestly the problem with the GT3 is that the excitement comes at very high rpm and although it's very fun to explore that region, the speed and sound is to intense that you completely lose awareness of your surroundings very fast and on top of it every time you cut it short you have the impression you missed an opportunity.

In the CSL, even a little stomp from 4000 to 5500-6000rpm can provide quite a satisfying feeling, probably similarly like in a GT2RS or even a GTS witch I have only been passenger on track sadly.

[vbb]

Originally Posted by PLF69

You'd have to drive both cars, honestly the problem with the GT3 is that the excitement comes at very high rpm and although it's very fun to explore that region, the speed and sound is to intense that you completely lose awareness of your surroundings very fast and on top of it every time you cut it short you have the impression you missed an opportunity.

In the CSL, even a little stomp from 4000 to 5500-6000rpm can provide quite a satisfying feeling, probably similarly like in a GT2RS or even a GTS witch I have only been passenger on track sadly.

That's fair. To be honest, I think a large part of my choosing the GT3 would be a "meeting my hero" type of moment rather than choosing the best driver's car for the money. I don't want to completely derail this thread, but I think a lot of us end up buying cars because of what the magazines and youtube reviews have told us rather than because they're the best cars for our particular circumstance. In fact, I'm in my M4 now over a GT4 because as much as I like the GT4, the M4 is the better car to use by far.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by vbb

That's fair. To be honest, I think a large part of my choosing the GT3 would be a "meeting my hero" type of moment rather than choosing the best driver's car for the money. I don't want to completely derail this thread, but I think a lot of us end up buying cars because of what the magazines and youtube reviews have told us rather than because they're the best cars for our particular circumstance. In fact, I'm in my M4 now over a GT4 because as much as I like the GT4, the M4 is the better car to use by far.

Well said, I also lust to have a GT4/Spyder as a permanent member of my garage, even more now that I tasted the super forgiving and easy to handle 718 chassis. The CSL I decided to go through since I worked almost two years ahead to secure my spot and just couldn't let it go after all this time, I am very happily surprised with the car but ultimately there are other cars out there in my visor.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Well said, I also lust to have a GT4/Spyder as a permanent member of my garage, even more now that I tasted the super forgiving and easy to handle 718 chassis. The CSL I decided to go through since I worked almost two years ahead to secure my spot and just couldn't let it go after all this time, I am very happily surprised with the car but ultimately there are other cars out there in my visor.

Have you taken delivery of your CSL yet? If so, we need to arrange a meet, I would love to see it .

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Have you taken delivery of your CSL yet? If so, we need to arrange a meet, I would love to see it .

Yes yesterday, it's in the garage, I am thinking of borrowing winter wheels/tires from a friend so I can keep driving for a few more weeks.

Or if you want to come down to my place we can put it on the lift, I know you like to check underneath them

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Yes yesterday, it's in the garage, I am thinking of borrowing winter wheels/tires from a friend so I can keep driving for a few more weeks.

Or if you want to come down to my place we can put it on the lift, I know you like to check underneath them

Wow, congrats!!!! Can’t wait to see it in real life, especially at LCMT . I hope Karyne treated you well.

I’ll PM you to organize something.

[mzcp]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Yes yesterday, it's in the garage, I am thinking of borrowing winter wheels/tires from a friend so I can keep driving for a few more weeks.

Or if you want to come down to my place we can put it on the lift, I know you like to check underneath them

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