[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Takumi587

I’m surprised no one has mentioned how well the M440i did with them. I have an M340i right now to hold me over until I get into the G80 M3 and it definitely feels just as fast as my F80 M3 was. Maybe not in the higher end speed range but definitely for passing others and off the line.

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Just playin around in case it wasn’t obvious 😋

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by dialogical

People take them super seriously.
I think it must be super flattering for BMW that so many people are so passionate about them.

To my mind both the F80 and G80 are great - but there will always be people who focus on a single thing one of them does better and use it as a reason to completely disregard the other. You can see them in both camps.

Just the way these things work.

I mean, it's not a BMW thing though. I use to visit a Lexus forum and it was worse. Hell, I once refer to a member as a Toyota fanboy and the admin rebuke me for being rude lol and basically gave me an ultimatum to which I accepted and told him to cancel my account lol. Those fans are much worse than here I can assure you.

[M3AWD]

Just by saying the G82 was spinning in 3rd at 50mph means it probably has poor tires, which also impacted it's launch and potentially made it spin when kicking down in comfort.

The F82, if stock, is running really well and surprised me. Just by saying it has a burble tune or whatever makes people suspect it's not stock. Also saying this is a comp pkg is another question mark on the integrity of the info provided.

I think it's just the perfect storm of an F82 doing well and a G82 not.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by M3AWD

Just by saying the G82 was spinning in 3rd at 50mph means it probably has poor tires, which also impacted it's launch and potentially made it spin when kicking down in comfort.

The F82, if stock, is running really well and surprised me. Just by saying it has a burble tune or whatever makes people suspect it's not stock. Also saying this is a comp pkg is another question mark on the integrity of the info provided.

I think it's just the perfect storm of an F82 doing well and a G82 not.

I'm not a crazy conspiracy theorist but enough is weird here that I don't know how we can give that F80 the benefit of the doubt.

Doesn't seem feasible that we are getting a very very good time for the F80 in the wet. Combine that with the fact that we know that car is tuned in some way shape or form and it simply isn't trustworthy.

[65fastback]

Originally Posted by dialogical

I'm not a crazy conspiracy theorist but enough is weird here that I don't know how we can give that F80 the benefit of the doubt.

Doesn't seem feasible that we are getting a very very good time for the F80 in the wet. Combine that with the fact that we know that car is tuned in some way shape or form and it simply isn't trustworthy.

100% my friend.

that video should be considered for "entertainment purposes only" way to many variables at play mostly wet road . We should not take any of those results seriously.

But one thing everyone can see in that video...is the visual difference between the new and the old.... some like the new & some don't but its more than just looks that has caused the deep division Its more than just looks.

I prefer the the f82 because its physically smaller - lighter weight and can be had with a dual clutch transmission ( I love it despite its quirks ) and its overall shaper looks and body design. It checks all the boxes for me not just one. Its going to continue to be a keeper for awhile Buy what makes you happy.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by 65fastback

100% my friend.

that video should be considered for "entertainment purposes only" way to many variables at play mostly wet road . We should not take any of those results seriously.

But one thing everyone can see in that video...is the visual difference between the new and the old.... some like the new & some don't but its more than just looks that has caused the deep division Its more than just looks.

I prefer the the f82 because its physically smaller - lighter weight and can be had with a dual clutch transmission ( I love it despite its quirks ) and its overall shaper looks and body design. It checks all the boxes for me not just one. Its going to continue to be a keeper for awhile Buy what makes you happy.

Hey - those are all major draws. I've said this before but I do prefer the classic looks of the F80. I hope you have many happy years with that machine before the all-electric apocalypse consumes us all.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by dialogical

before the all-electric apocalypse consumes us all.

[deeldoo]

The car in question (i.e. F82) has a CS tune on it, the car won't burble like that with the stock mapping and burbles turned on.

This race is essentially F82 CS vs G82 Comp.

Either way:

1. G82 has more power up to

2. More turbo lag

3. DCT is miles ahead of ZF8, watch the video in between shifts, and kick-downs, the DCT springs up all the torque right away lurching the car forward. I don't want to hear anything else about ZF8 vs DCT.

The ZF8 probably makes for an awesome daily driver but it is no competition for a performance oriented DCT

[Slowphiveo]

Wow, I had no idea we had so many John Force' and Ayrton Senna' amongst us here in Bimmerpost! Here's a reality check...95% of all these cars (G8x and F8x) will never sniff a circuit or a drag strip. What 95% of these cars will do will be a few highway pulls, maybe a few street light fights and that's it. Ohhh, so you hit the apex on the on ramp...awesome bro, here's a cookie! In the real world, these cars are just about even. That is a fact. The G8x has a better interior and the F8x looks better. The performance differences in these cars can only be realized on a track and mostly by trained drivers (which of course all of you are). It's amazing the arguments that ensue over closed course results.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by Slowphiveo

Wow, I had no idea we had so many John Force' and Ayrton Senna' amongst us here in Bimmerpost! Here's a reality check...95% of all these cars (G8x and F8x) will never sniff a circuit or a drag strip. What 95% of these cars will do will be a few highway pulls, maybe a few street light fights and that's it. Ohhh, so you hit the apex on the on ramp...awesome bro, here's a cookie! In the real world, these cars are just about even. That is a fact. The G8x has a better interior and the F8x looks better. The performance differences in these cars can only be realized on a track and mostly by trained drivers (which of course all of you are). It's amazing the arguments that ensue over closed course results.

I agree with the track times thing. If these cars are within a second on a track then no human will ever tell.

That said, there seems to be a significant difference in directness and feel between the two cars.

[dlk001]

Originally Posted by BzsBimmer

He could have flashed the tune back to stock hence why it’s stated that it’s “stock”.

That's impossible given that his credibility is Zero i.e. lying about the car being an M4 Competition.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by dlk001

That's impossible given that his credibility is Zero i.e. lying about the car being an M4 Competition.

Yeah I just don't see why he should get the benefit of the doubt here.

[heavyD^2]

Boy that F82 pops in that green color.

[solstice]

Yawn...soon enough the AWDs will be out and all this vs F8X anguish will be history.

[Slowphiveo]

Originally Posted by solstice

Yawn...soon enough the AWDs will be out and all this vs F8X anguish will be history.

And then soon after that M division will release the H series in full electric and all this ICE anguish will be history.

[thaalrasha]

Same results more or less as Joe's comparison ... G82 has better traction even on same tires as F82 but not by so much once F82 has PS4S too. DCT is superior no matter what in responsiveness. G82 is faster and more confortable all around ... it's just ugly in comparison.

[PVC]

Amazing how much quicker the M440 AWD is off the line and how F82's weight makes a difference in the brake test. F82's DCT is also a game changer.

[02M3ForMe]

Posted many times. The Java Green F82 is a 2015 non-ZCP with a tune. There's a Carwow video of it 7 months ago without the tune setting a 12.5 second time.

[PVC]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Posted many times. The Java Green F82 is a 2015 non-ZCP with a tune. There's a Carwow video of it 7 months ago without the tune setting a 12.5 second time.

They specifically said there are no performance mods. Only something for the exhaust. Why would they be lying?

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by PVC

They specifically said there are no performance mods. Only something for the exhaust. Why would they be lying?

Who knows. They also said it's a ZCP Competition when it's not.

Here's the VIN; feel free to decode it. WBS3R92030K342575

Here's that 7-month old Carwow video featuring this exact Java Green F82. It's correctly labeled a base here and the exhaust sounds like the usual plain 2015 non-ZCP, no burbles (in other words, no tune). It set a 12.5 second time in that video.

[PVC]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Who knows. They also said it's a ZCP Competition when it's not.

Here's the VIN; feel free to decode it. WBS3R92030K342575

Here's that 7-month old Carwow video featuring this exact Java Green F82. It's correctly labeled a base here and the exhaust sounds like the usual plain 2015 non-ZCP, no burbles (in other words, no tune). It set a 12.5 second time in that video.

It's got the black M4 badge, which indicates it's got the comp pkg. Although, the one in the new video has the base badge. I am not even sure where you found the VIN, but yeah who knows.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by PVC

It's got the black M4 badge, which indicates it's got the comp pkg. Although, the one in the new video has the base badge. I am not even sure where you found the VIN, but yeah who knows.

They both have the same UK plate (D3 RAJ), too. It’s an easy lookup to see when the car was first registered (summer 2015). No ZCPs were built in 2015; it wasn’t even announced until January 2016. Regardless, you can simply decode the VIN and you’ll get the ultimate confirmation that it’s a base 425hp car.

Maybe these results are possible. All we know is this particular experiment is flawed/untrustworthy. They should redo it with a real OEM ZCP car.