[nublu2u]

Carwow normally see an F82 M4 Comp run about 12.4 s for the 1/4 mile, so 12.0 is a bit suspicious. Will say, the launch of the F82 looked better than normal, so maybe a couple of tenths gained there, who knows?

G8x is faster, but if any of these type of cars (F8x, C63s, RS5) get the jump on you, it takes plenty of road to reel them in.

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I don’t believe that it is the F82 that is fast, but rather the G82 that is slow in this video.

Low 12 for the the F8X is not uncommon. Further we dont know what tires this particular car has. Just replacing the crappy stock PSS with PS4S will make a significant difference when launching the car.

On the other hand, 11.9 is far from the best we’ve seen from the G8X.

The time from a dig is the least of my concern, but the fact that F8X is running 12 sec on a damp surface is also very unusual.

The main "anomaly" are the roll races!
If the G82 is having no technical issues, looking at the videos I have presented, there is great disparity between the two F82 M4's (the black one and the green one).
Also, the measured times from 100-200 km/h for the G8X and F8X suggest that the difference should be greater between the two (in G8X favour).
Comparing the G82 with the C63S, we can see that the G82 is far more dominant over the Merc, but not so much compared to the green F82 M4 (G82 actually lost a big time in the first roll race with the transmission in a D), and I don't know any stock M4C that is superior to C63S in the roll race?

[Murf]

Can't you people just accept that the F8X is the better car?

[BzsBimmer]

He could have flashed the tune back to stock hence why it’s stated that it’s “stock”.

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

LOL, @ those saying the race was close so something must be wrong! What would be gained by trying to deceive by not disclosing mods? The Joe Achilles F80 v. G80 track battle was also a very close race, hence there's already precedent. The G80 was pulling ahead each time at the end and would win every race if the track was long enough due to it's 60 hp advantage.

Given (as expected) how the AWD M440i got off the line, the G8x AWD is going to be a beast and blow the F8x RWD out the door. The braking win by the F80 was probably helped by it's much lighter weight.

I'm not emotional about it, just analytical, because the drag races are something I do professionally and I do have a soft spot for noticing small details!

But I must admit that I do not drag race the cars professionally, the cars are only one of mine passions, I drag race these things:

I produce and train the falcons for the Middle East drag races

The Joe Achilles video only confirms that something is off with this race!

When both cars are in a D mode, the F82 Comp has only slight jump, and by the time G82 is starting to gain the speed they have finished the race because of the lack of space.
In gear acceleration was a brutal display of power for the G82!
When we compare that to the CarWow race, the difference is huge, which leads me to believe that something is not right

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by Murf

Can't you people just accept that the F8X is the better car?

No, because some of us have the possibility to use a critical thinking, and in the light of additional information other forum members have presented, there is undeniable fact that the information CarWow gave us is false!
They have two videos with the same green car (the licence plate is the same), and in the first video they have claimed that the car is base M4, but in the G82 video, they claim that the car is M4 Competition.

This alone ruins their reputation, and there is now a little doubt that the green F82 M4 is tuned to some degree!

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by PeregrineFalcon

(G82 actually lost a big time in the first roll race with the transmission in a D)

ZF Kickdown/Boost Threshold + Turbo Lag - I feel like the initial jump that F82 gets is the least surprising part of this video. It ends up just proving that the G82 top-end is far above the F82 since won from behind or would have in the first roll if it had a little more space. That's also why I'm not sure that it's a tune much higher than ZCP or CS. If I'm a G8X owner or aspiring owner, this vid is still a W

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by PeregrineFalcon

The time from a dig is the least of my concern, but the fact that F8X is running 12 sec on a damp surface is also very unusual.

The main "anomaly" are the roll races!
If the G82 is having no technical issues, looking at the videos I have presented, there is great disparity between the two F82 M4's (the black one and the green one).
Also, the measured times from 100-200 km/h for the G8X and F8X suggest that the difference should be greater between the two (in G8X favour).
Comparing the G82 with the C63S, we can see that the G82 is far more dominant over the Merc, but not so much compared to the green F82 M4 (G82 actually lost a big time in the first roll race with the transmission in a D), and I don't know any stock M4C that is superior to C63S in the roll race?

The first M4 C&D tested ran a 12.0 flat back in 2014. Also, like I said, I suspect that the F82 in the OP was likely shod with better tires that the shitty stock PSS, giving it a good launch. And if you understand the physics of quarter mile runs, you understand that a good ET is all about the launch. The F82's performance is not suspicious here, it's this particular G82's....

[OSee]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

To be objective, he could have

As soon as you use the word "could" you're no longer being objective.

[CT_M3]

Have fun with the echo chamber. . Done posting here.

[Vmaxx]

Lol it’s crazy how sensitive people are about M cars.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Same car but 7 months ago. Similar results from a roll, from a dig it looks like they couldn’t launch it very well as it’s half a second slower in this vid. Having said that, 12.0 seconds seems about right for the 1/4 mile in the original vid - the G82 seems to be running that a little slow as CanAutM3 said

Notice the lack of "fireworks" during the standstill rev part.

Another indication that the car is likely tuned in the G82 race.

[02M3ForMe]

Someone posted a drag race video that Carwow did with the exact same car 7 months ago. In that video, the car is accurately labeled a base non-ZCP car. It also performs much more in line with expectations (once Yianni gets behind the wheel). 12.5 second 1/4 mile time on dry pavement.

Notice the lack of "fireworks" during the standstill rev part in the old video.

Another indication that the car is likely tuned in the G82 race.

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The first M4 C&D tested ran a 12.0 flat back in 2014.

Did I say that 12 sec 1/4 mile is impossible for the F82 M4?

Also, are the C&D and CarWoW having the same Acceleration-Testing Procedure?

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...hange-rollout/

F82 M4C actually did worse on their test than the base car:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ackage-review/

Also, like I said, I suspect that the F82 in the OP was likely shod with better tires that the shitty stock PSS, giving it a good launch.

You suspect, or you know for sure?
Because that is exactly what I'm doing, I'm suspecting, the same as you (though, not saying that I'm 100 percent right).

And if you understand the physics of quarter mile runs, you understand that a good ET is all about the launch. The F82's performance is not suspicious here, it's this particular G82's....

Actually, I don't care much about 1/4 mile time in this analysis (like I have mentioned two times before because I'm aware that there are to many variables involved), its the roll races that are suspicious here (strange you didn't notice that in my writing?), and I do find a little bit strange that the F82 M4 is doing one of the best 1/4 mile times recorded on the damp surface, while the G82, that is known for having a good traction, is doing worse than average on the same surface.

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

ZF Kickdown/Boost Threshold + Turbo Lag - I feel like the initial jump that F82 gets is the least surprising part of this video. It ends up just proving that the G82 top-end is far above the F82 since won from behind or would have in the first roll if it had a little more space. That's also why I'm not sure that it's a tune much higher than ZCP or CS. If I'm a G8X owner or aspiring owner, this vid is still a W

I agree, but look at the difference between the Joe Achilles test, and this one. There is a huge difference in the way both F82 M4's performed!
Also, if we look at the other CarWoW test with the F82 M4C, there is obvious difference (and I'm mostly concentrating on the roll race) between every other M4C and this green F82 M4.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by Vmaxx

Lol it's crazy how sensitive people are about M cars.

People take them super seriously.
I think it must be super flattering for BMW that so many people are so passionate about them.

To my mind both the F80 and G80 are great - but there will always be people who focus on a single thing one of them does better and use it as a reason to completely disregard the other. You can see them in both camps.

Just the way these things work.

[guess2098]

I don't even care about the race but from the video AWD G8x is ganna be much faster launch. Just see that m440i.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by PeregrineFalcon

I agree, but look at the difference between the Joe Achilles test, and this one. There is a huge difference in the way both F82 M4's performed!

Joe's video corroborates what's going on in this CarWow video - the rolling race in Joe's video both cars ramp up, are in their threshold, and have built boost before the race begins, as such G8X scalps F8X. Same thing happens in the CarWow rolling race when they are both locked in gear - which seemed closer than it may actually be since G8X spun its wheels for a bit. The first race is from a cruise as if you stomped on the gas, and the combination of ZF kickdown/S58 boost threshold + S58's greater turbo lag results in a decent jump for the DCT F8X & S55 which has lower lag and threshold = higher response. What's amazing is just how much ground G8X covers in a come-from-behind win while F8X is still full tilt. I know it didn't technically win because of the lack of runway but it was absolutely gaining ground - another 1/8 mile and G8X is coming out on top. Nothing about this is surprising IMO. If this was a 500whp stage 1 F8X, it would win as that's just power/weight at that point and there certainly wouldn't be such a rapid come-from-behind performance by G8X like in the CarWow vid. And I'm not saying the F8X isn't tuned, I just don't think it's necessarily way outside the bounds of OE power levels - maybe it's pushing the top end like a BM3 CS+ tune

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Notice the lack of "fireworks" during the standstill rev part.

Another indication that the car is likely tuned in the G82 race.

Oh yeah, I think we know it's tuned (good detective work btw) - now the question is what is he running lol

[bsmf8x]

Whoever said a stage 1 f82 isn't faster than a stock g82 knows nothing about these cars

I think it's possible this car has a CS tune giving it 454 and the burbles or something but if that f82 was stage 1 and pushing close to 500 wheel it would've gapped the crap out of the f82

One thing I'll say though is that when they did that comfort mode race, there is 0 chance at all that f82 was in efficient. I think the driver saw we only have efficient/sport/sport plus and put it in sport. As an f82 owner it's impossible for a f82 in efficient to be taking off like that.

Those comfort mode races are pointless , no M car owner isn't putting there car in sport plus when they wanna race someone

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Joe's video corroborates what's going on in this CarWow video - the rolling race in Joe's video both cars ramp up, are in their threshold, and have built boost before the race begins, as such G8X scalps F8X. Same thing happens in the CarWow rolling race when they are both locked in gear - which seemed closer than it may actually be since G8X spun its wheels for a bit. The first race is from a cruise as if you stomped on the gas, and the combination of ZF kickdown/S58 boost threshold + S58's greater turbo lag results in a decent jump for the DCT F8X & S55 which has lower lag and threshold = higher response. What's amazing is just how much ground G8X covers in a come-from-behind win while F8X is still full tilt. I know it didn't technically win because of the lack of runway but it was absolutely gaining ground - another 1/8 mile and G8X is coming out on top. Nothing about this is surprising IMO. If this was a 500whp stage 1 F8X, it would win as that's just power/weight at that point and there certainly wouldn't be such a rapid come-from-behind performance by G8X like in the CarWow vid. And I'm not saying the F8X isn't tuned, I just don't think it's necessarily way outside the bounds of OE power levels - maybe it's pushing the top end like a BM3 CS+ tune

I get what you say, but I have just a few remarks

In Joe's test, G82 also did spun its wheels for a bit, you can hear the car hitting the limiter when the race was "in gear"(or he just forgot to change the gear in time and hit the limiter which is making the acceleration less optimal).
But for me the most telling sign was when the G82 was going against the C63S and RS5! The car also spun its wheels in third gear, but the way G82 M4 was faster than the C63S wasn't reflecting on the green F82 M4.
G82 left the C63S for dead, and it had trouble just putting its nose in front of the F82, and in all tests I have seen, the C63S is dominating the F82 Comp in every roll race!

So, from my perspective, every video (including Joe's) is implying that the green F82 M4 is tuned to some extent. And I'm with you on that one, because I don't think it is 500whp stage 1 tune.

[Takumi587]

I’m surprised no one has mentioned how well the M440i did with them. I have an M340i right now to hold me over until I get into the G80 M3 and it definitely feels just as fast as my F80 M3 was. Maybe not in the higher end speed range but definitely for passing others and off the line.