04-13-2021, 11:14 AM | #45 | |
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Same temperature / road surface / tires / fuel / measurement tool ? all these factors will change the outcome. It's hard to beat same day same place test same tires to be honest... Joe's test might not be perfect but at least he got these right. |
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04-13-2021, 11:39 AM | #46 | |
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04-13-2021, 11:42 AM | #47 |
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I think how you view these cars is highly dependent on what version you own as is always the case when a new model rolls out for any automobile.
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04-13-2021, 11:58 AM | #48 | |
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On the other hand Joe's test from a dig was one of the most useless drag races I have seen in the long time. Not once was he able to launch the car properly! Just compare that to a Carwow test for example, where the new M4 was faster than the RS5 from a dig, and on the wet track. The only part that has some validity to it was the rolling race in the second gear. The new M4 was pulling away incredibly easy on the old one, even though Joe was hitting the limiter in the second gear Also the distance they were covering is to short for any meaningful comparison. Bottom line, fun, but useless |
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My bigger question is if I am anxiously waiting for and considering AWD G82 given the results in the recent video is the added weight going to be worth the performance return? Maybe my hopes are too high on what AWD will bring to the platform.... |
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60 - 100 kph (4) 2.6 s 60 - 100 kph (5) 3.7 s 80 - 120 kph (5) 3.2 s 80 - 120 kph (6) 6.2 s 80 - 120 kph (7) 9.9 s F82 60 - 100 kph (4) 3.6 s 60 - 100 kph (5) 5.5 s 80 - 120 kph (5) 4.5 s 80 - 120 kph (6) 6.1 s 80 - 120 kph (7) 10.3 s When we look at the in gear acceleration, I don't believe that the rpm was above 2000 in any case, and in most cases it was around 1500 in higher gears, so I don't believe that the engine was at full boost?! Quote:
But in the rolling race in the second gear the G82 was markedly quicker (even though the Joe was hitting the limiter) and the response time was about the same. When they used the kickdown, the new one was slower of the mark, but how much of that is attributed to the transmission is a big question mark? Also, in the rolling race they have coverd probably around 200 m which is almost useless for any meaningful comparison. The race from the dig was painful to watch how bad he launched the car Quote:
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04-13-2021, 12:36 PM | #51 | |
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Doing the same with 6MT for the F8X and G8X would give the true story since both share the exact same gear ratios.
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Which means it is a completely pointless comparison of engines because of the different gear ratios.
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04-13-2021, 01:46 PM | #54 | |
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BMW has snubbed loyal BMW enthusiasts and marketing towards more mainstream buyers that apparently likes big grilles. The last time I recall this much push back against a new model BMW rollout was the E65 BMW 7 Series with the infamous Bangle Butt, and they eventually had to smooth out the butt with the LCI. We'll see what they do with the G8x LCI in a few years. |
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04-13-2021, 02:37 PM | #55 |
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It would be so great to get less Joe Achilles....
I have watched some of his videos but it is just too much for me. I really long back to pre-social media times where you just would get more professional reviews. I am so fed up with this fan-boy-style youtube channels where you get video after video with just utter nonsense. |
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As expected... small performance gain in a larger, heavier platform
That F82 still looks damn sexy though
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Not even E30 which is the signature of M3 IMO I had more than enough seat time in E92/F80/F82 all Manual Transmission for years so respect M3/M4 cars but cant hide the fact that G8x is a great car because has today's technologies the same way I enjoy M8 over M6 regardless of DCT over ZF
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If I remember correctly, the base G82 with the manual has worse in gear acceleration than the F82. And the dyno also have shown that below some rev range (around 2500-3000 rpm if I remember correctly), the S55 has more torque. Compared with the M440i with the same AT, the G82 has faster in gear acceleration in most of the gears. G82 60 - 100 kph (4) 2.6 s 60 - 100 kph (5) 3.7 s 80 - 120 kph (5) 3.2 s 80 - 120 kph (6) 6.2 s 80 - 120 kph (7) 9.9 s M440i 60 - 100 kph (4) 3.2 s 60 - 100 kph (5) 4.5 s 80 - 120 kph (5) 4.4 s 80 - 120 kph (6) 6.1 s 80 - 120 kph (7) 7.9 s Last edited by PeregrineFalcon; 04-13-2021 at 06:29 PM.. |
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I still love and enjoy the 3 series/M3/M4 driving experience for every generation. The competition with Mercedes and Audi just do not compare IMO to driving the M3/M4. My point being is that yea we all have different opinions but in the end I believe each generation M3/M4 has been awesome and fun every time.
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I own a 2018 F80 Comp and a considering back and forth swapping it for a new G80.
Yesterday I did a track day with the new G80 in Spa Francorchamps (Belgium) and I was very amazed at how the car handled on the track. Very planted, power and grip. It is an amazing car to track and more confidence inspiring than the F80 because of the grip and the chassis. But today I took out my F80 from under it's wintercover and boy does that F80 look good. The interior is a little dated (2013ish) but love the real gauges instead of the digital ones. I have no idea what I'll do in the future but the G80 definitely is a leap forward in terms of handling and interior. The car looks good in person and the big grill really grows on you. It's a bold design move from BMW but definitely identifying the new M3 to stand out. I don't know what the future will bring but these cars with ICE engines are coming to and end, what will the M's be in the future?? Better to get these now and enjoy them while we can. |
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I, for one F80 owner, have been buying BMW's pretty well my whole driving life, will likely buck this trend for the first time in decades with my next car. I am far from alone, not trying to be negative but that's the way it is. BMW is betting they can more than make up for this loss by attracting new buyers, I suppose especially from China, to maintain their volume growth trend. I'm sure they've done their market research so maybe they are right, but I am still at a lost as to why BMW is alienating their base when it doesn't have to be this way. |
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...and who/what comprises the base you speak of? Many of us have owned multiple E46, E9X and F8X M-cars. Are we not the base, or are we only included if we champion the demise of the G8X?!? I see new buyers purchasing the G8X as well as tenured buyers. The base is the group that buys the cars, and that's never static. BMW always loses buyers every time a new ///M is released, but they also gain new membership. Many people ditched BMW as soon as the company went turbo, but many people came to the brand for that very reason. |
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