[Jproos]

Originally Posted by akkando

Just buy a badge and a jb4.

Jb4?

[Nkr15]

Originally Posted by Jproos

Jb4?

https://burgertuning.com/collections/jb4

[mattssi]

I'm kinda bummed that the 6MT doesn't come with the striped seatbelts. That's a nice touch that I was looking forward to. And now I hear the knob isn't backlit? C'mon now.

[Jproos]

Originally Posted by Nkr15

https://burgertuning.com/collections/jb4

Thanks for explaining. They don't seem to mention M cars on the product pages.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by mattssi

I'm kinda bummed that the 6MT doesn't come with the striped seatbelts. That's a nice touch that I was looking forward to. And now I hear the knob isn't backlit? C'mon now.

Yeah that's kind of lame that they took away the backlit shift knob.

[moproblems]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Yeah that's kind of lame that they took away the backlit shift knob.

I'll be buying an F10 m5 knob sometime in the near future and throwing it on, need to figure out what wires to tap into for the back light.

[Nkr15]

Originally Posted by Jproos

Thanks for explaining. They don't seem to mention M cars on the product pages.

I see it here, s58 specific isn't out yet

https://burgertuning.com/collections...-m3-m4-s55-jb4

[chris3g]

Originally Posted by Nkr15

I see it here, s58 specific isn't out yet

https://burgertuning.com/collections...-m3-m4-s55-jb4

It is out

https://burgertuning.com/collections/m3-g80-m4-g82

[Scorp!on]

Originally Posted by mattssi

I'm kinda bummed that the 6MT doesn't come with the striped seatbelts. That's a nice touch that I was looking forward to. And now I hear the knob isn't backlit? C'mon now.

The striped seatbelts can be optioned as no cost (at least here in Switzerland).
When I gave up the order I had to pay for it (in December, and did that). To be fair, the price was lower generally than now (they adapted the price in February, went a little up).

So I have MT with striped seatbelts

Regarding the Shift Knob it is not backlighted, I wasn't even aware that the predecessor had it But I don't give a damn, I use the stick to shift :P

[Jproos]

Originally Posted by Nkr15

I see it here, s58 specific isn't out yet

https://burgertuning.com/collections...-m3-m4-s55-jb4

Thanks! This looks pretty good

Has anyone here out one on an M car and has any feedback about them?

[Jproos]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

I've done 2 track days in an M5 Comp and I don't disagree. But it's like driving a boat.

I don't see the M5 as intended to be a track car so that it's not great at it is ok by me

I think it's designed to be a luxury road missile and I'd expect it to excel at that

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

The striped seatbelts can be optioned as no cost (at least here in Switzerland).
When I gave up the order I had to pay for it (in December, and did that). To be fair, the price was lower generally than now (they adapted the price in February, went a little up).

So I have MT with striped seatbelts

Regarding the Shift Knob it is not backlighted, I wasn't even aware that the predecessor had it But I don't give a damn, I use the stick to shift :P

They can't in the US.
I'm going to need to order them from IND and then get them installed.

Annoying as hell.

[Jproos]

It's interesting that so many more people are saying the reviews have led to more interest in the manual

[CanuckM]

Originally Posted by Jproos

It's interesting that so many more people are saying the reviews have led to more interest in the manual

Saying it and actually doing it are two different things.

Proof will be in the pudding.

[Jproos]

Originally Posted by CanuckM

Saying it and actually doing it are two different things.

Proof will be in the pudding.

Definitely but it's still interesting to me that the reviews seem to have inspired more interest in the manual transmission.

[PLF69]

I think one thing that helps is that this time around you cannot have the semi-manual-auto trans, it's slushbox or real manual.

When I baught my M2 I did not feel like getting the DCT was as much of a compromise, I swapped from a 8zf M235i, if I would of had to choose between 8zf or 6mt on the M2 I would of picked the 6mt no doubt.

The more civilized character the 8zf gives to a sporty car is not what I am after now. But I know a lot of people will enjoy it, I really liked this box in my M235i. There is no bad choice here, I feel that the choices are better now than between 6mt and DCT, the new M3/4 covers a much broader spectrum now than it ever did.

[TrentMeister]

All this talk of the m4 zf being so civil is weird.

This thing bangs gears really hard and is dramatically faster than any 6mt could hope to be.

Is it because it's also nice to cruise that so many of you guys hate on it?

Would it be better if it had all the dct quirks?

I really don't see/feel the problem.

[Jproos]

Originally Posted by LBbluem2

All this talk of the m4 zf being so civil is weird.

This thing bangs gears really hard and is dramatically faster than any 6mt could hope to be.

Is it because it's also nice to cruise that so many of you guys hate on it?

Would it be better if it had all the dct quirks?

I really don't see/feel the problem.

This thread isn't really trying to be about which is better. I'm interested in whether reviewer comment have changed people's opinions about the options.

I personally bought a manual because I've have manuals most of my life. But I thought hard about the ZF8. I think there are some benefits to it.

In the end I went with the manual because I like rowing the gears and always have. I don't care too much about 0-60 times so I don't mind that it's actually a bit slower than the auto box.

[Multimodal]

I've been focused on a manual throughout so the reviews have been validating.

When I was focused on an F87 my salesman shared his honest opinion that he doesn't like the G80 manual - "it feels like rowing mashed potatoes" and "it's really hard to drive smoothly if you're used to a E90 335i." (Now that I'm interested in a G80 he's hedging some of those opinions.)

I test drove a M3 6MT and M4C 8AT back to back today. It was the first time I've driven the Competition but I have the ZF8 in my G05 X5 and F30 3 Series so I know it well and regard it highly. I had been a bit bummed that BMW replaced the DCT with a ZF8 in principle but after driving it today I have to say it's not a bad solution. It performs better than the 6MT due to its higher power, shorter gearing, and the ease/speed of changing gears in challenging driving moments. It's also a more versatile car because you can set everything to Comfort and put the car in auto and daily drive it.

I'll still get the 6MT on principle, but if I weren't being religious about it I would seriously consider the automatic Competition.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

I've been focused on a manual throughout so the reviews have been validating.

When I was focused on an F87 my salesman shared his honest opinion that he doesn't like the G80 manual - "it feels like rowing mashed potatoes" and "it's really hard to drive smoothly if you're used to a E90 335i." (Now that I'm interested in a G80 he's hedging some of those opinions.)

I test drove a M3 6MT and M4C 8AT back to back today. It was the first time I've driven the Competition but I have the ZF8 in my G05 X5 and F30 3 Series so I know it well and regard it highly. I had been a bit bummed that BMW replaced the DCT with a ZF8 in principle but after driving it today I have to say it's not a bad solution. It performs better than the 6MT due to its higher power, shorter gearing, and the ease/speed of changing gears in challenging driving moments. It's also a more versatile car because you can set everything to Comfort and put the car in auto and daily drive it.

I'll still get the 6MT on principle, but if I weren't being religious about it I would seriously consider the automatic Competition.

Auto Solutions SSK + CDV delete seem to fix most people’s issues with the feel of BMW manuals - don’t know if Auto Solutions has one for G8X yet but no doubt he can make one

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Auto Solutions SSK + CDV delete seem to fix most people’s issues with the feel of BMW manuals - don’t know if Auto Solutions has one for G8X yet but no doubt he can make one

And, as I've learned over the last month and a half, there is a significant break-in with the BMW manual. The clutch pedal is less stiff and the action on the shifter is more, uh struggling for the right words, weird after a month and a half. When I first got the car, the shifter really just wanted to slide into 2nd and 3rd with a good deal of resistance (even when stopped) with 1st and 4th. It was really strange coming from a Honda 5MT/6MT background. Most of that has faded with use.

If your only experience with a BMW 6MT is a test drive of a low-mileage car, it isn't indicative of what the clutch and shifter will feel like at 1000 miles. And be honest with yourself regarding the quality of your clutch work and seating position before you go anywhere near the aftermarket clutch stops. If the length of your legs and seating position don't let you get the pedal down far enough to actually get fully past the engagement point, the clutch stop isn't going to help you not burn out the clutch.

[Jproos]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

I've been focused on a manual throughout so the reviews have been validating.

When I was focused on an F87 my salesman shared his honest opinion that he doesn't like the G80 manual - "it feels like rowing mashed potatoes" and "it's really hard to drive smoothly if you're used to a E90 335i." (Now that I'm interested in a G80 he's hedging some of those opinions.)

I test drove a M3 6MT and M4C 8AT back to back today. It was the first time I've driven the Competition but I have the ZF8 in my G05 X5 and F30 3 Series so I know it well and regard it highly. I had been a bit bummed that BMW replaced the DCT with a ZF8 in principle but after driving it today I have to say it's not a bad solution. It performs better than the 6MT due to its higher power, shorter gearing, and the ease/speed of changing gears in challenging driving moments. It's also a more versatile car because you can set everything to Comfort and put the car in auto and daily drive it.

I'll still get the 6MT on principle, but if I weren't being religious about it I would seriously consider the automatic Competition.

This sounds a lot like my own situation. I am happy I got the manual but I think I would have probably been happy with the ZF, too. In either case it's connected to the S58 so…