Petition to Bring G81 M3 Touring to the US

lemetier · 04-17-2021, 06:13 PM

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Oh, that's something I didn't know. Over here Alpina is like a separate manufacturer, cars have Alpina VINs and there is no mention of BMW on their documents.

It's probably why you don't get them. Too much of a headache to federalize them as a separate model. Do you get the 3 series touring though?

I don't know in the US if they have separate annexes for Alpina models at existing BMW dealers that some have in Europe?
Or in the US do the Alpina models sell on the main floor amongst all other BMW models?

No separation from BMW for Alpina in the US (not even branding). The cost to federalize for the US is too high for Alpina as an independent manufacturer while at the same time, those same regulations have just enough slack in them to allow certain Alpina "Trim" variants to come through. The only difference is the German built cars are not e-cleared with customs upon import. They still have physical paperwork to be processed along with inspection.

Salespunk · 04-19-2021, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lemetier

No separation from BMW for Alpina in the US (not even branding). The cost to federalize for the US is too high for Alpina as an independent manufacturer while at the same time, those same regulations have just enough slack in them to allow certain Alpina "Trim" variants to come through. The only difference is the German built cars are not e-cleared with customs upon import. They still have physical paperwork to be processed along with inspection.

The only current Alpina model I have seen in the US is the 7 series. The dealer local to me sells quite a few of them (relatively speaking) and always has a few on the floor.

lemetier · 04-19-2021, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Salespunk

The only current Alpina model I have seen in the US is the 7 series. The dealer local to me sells quite a few of them (relatively speaking) and always has a few on the floor.

No XB7 sightings in SoCal? B8 will land soon as well.

MarineRaider · 06-08-2021, 10:37 PM

Dear BMW-

I vote with my wallet, I have your M3 and I have a 2020 Volvo V60 T8 PE.

So you figure out what I would have bought!

FSociety · 06-11-2021, 01:39 PM

G80 Touring yes please

Jim B · 06-11-2021, 08:38 PM

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G80 Touring yes please

+1

BMWdaniel · 06-27-2021, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by M-Pilot

Edit: We also have a Change.org petition thanks to ki__: http://chng.it/7Z7sRrfZdK

As we all have probably heard, the rumor is that the upcoming G81 M3 won't be offered in the US market for various reasons. I was already debating about the idea of starting a new thread to show BMW and BMW USA the potential interest from the US buyer about the G81. After seeing couple other similar thoughts in the other G81 thread and hearing from Jason that they would support this initiative, I decided to start this thread which will hopefully serve as a petition to bring G81 M3 to the US.

In addition to the answering the poll, please feel free to post your thoughts about why BMW and BMW USA should offer the G81 here in the States. I understand this is not something official with hard commitments from people but I believe it will be good indicator of the potential interest.

Let's make this happen!

Fuck yea lets do it

W12x · 07-08-2021, 02:33 AM

As someone who got into the M3 game during E92 time, not a big fan of the new front design, but if BMW offer a G81 in MT I would get one in a heart beat...

Jim B · 07-08-2021, 10:12 AM

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As someone who got into the M3 game during E92 time, not a big fan of the new front design, but if BMW offer a G81 in MT I would get one in a heart beat...

+1 So would I.

WickedBMW · 07-08-2021, 01:18 PM

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A change.org petition will go further. I created one here:

http://chng.it/7Z7sRrfZdK

Great idea, but I honestly don't think BMW will cave in to some 7500 customers.

I would love to have one with manual, btw.

Salespunk · 07-26-2021, 09:56 PM

I wonder if the success of the RS6 has BMW rethinking this decision?

SCOTT26 · 07-28-2021, 06:17 PM

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I wonder if the success of the RS6 has BMW rethinking this decision?

No. The cost of homologising and certifying the model for the US is not cost effective for the amount of units required to be sold.

BimmerMat135 · 07-28-2021, 06:18 PM

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I wonder if the success of the RS6 has BMW rethinking this decision?

No. The cost of homologising and certifying the model for the US is not cost effective for the amount of units required to be sold.

Then bring the G21 as well.

SCOTT26 · 07-28-2021, 06:20 PM

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Then bring the G21 as well.

Again same reason. US customers more or less prefer the X3.

BimmerMat135 · 07-28-2021, 06:22 PM

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Then bring the G21 as well.

Again same reason. US customers more or less prefer the X3.

What about Canadian customers

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akkando · 07-28-2021, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Salespunk

I wonder if the success of the RS6 has BMW rethinking this decision?

No. The cost of homologising and certifying the model for the US is not cost effective for the amount of units required to be sold.

It is for everyone else just not BMW?

Encanto · 08-01-2021, 10:30 AM

This is the only G8x M3 that I would buy.

AndroidRobot · 08-01-2021, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Salespunk

I wonder if the success of the RS6 has BMW rethinking this decision?

No. The cost of homologising and certifying the model for the US is not cost effective for the amount of units required to be sold.

It is for everyone else just not BMW?

correct, it's very expensive to get anything homogenized no matter the brand. I would absolutely love a G81 but unfortunately I'm in the US like many of you and won't be getting the unicorn

itsmabs · 08-05-2021, 08:48 PM

I love bmws and Audis. A m3 wagon would be pretty much a instant purchase. But right now really only Audi is competing in the segment at that price point. No clue if it's profitable for them, but they won my business. The A6 is a great wagon, and with a few mods feels sporty. Here's to wagons, and hoping brands give enthusiasts in NA some more.

BEAR-AvHistory · 09-21-2021, 05:36 PM

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Uhm, I don't think that's how it works. First off, not all G81 would be sold in the US, but probably only a few. 200 would be probably way too high, but let's say 10% for the sake of argument.

Then, BMW sells the cars for $170,000,000 but it does not make $170,000,000 in profits from it, far from it. And it sells the 200 US cars for 17MM, but you want them to pay 20MM (i.e. even more than they get back in sales, let alone profits) up front to get the car federalized in the US? How should that work?

Believe I read BMW makes about $8,000 per car. A $20MM fee to federalize them would cause a loss before you even count in any modifications required to meet the US standards.

Caddy offered a very hot Corvette Powered "V" series 6MT station wagon a few years back. Ran the Ring at 8:12. Sold OK but no big winner.

PLF69 · 09-21-2021, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mbanck

Uhm, I don't think that's how it works. First off, not all G81 would be sold in the US, but probably only a few. 200 would be probably way too high, but let's say 10% for the sake of argument.

Then, BMW sells the cars for $170,000,000 but it does not make $170,000,000 in profits from it, far from it. And it sells the 200 US cars for 17MM, but you want them to pay 20MM (i.e. even more than they get back in sales, let alone profits) up front to get the car federalized in the US? How should that work?

Believe I read BMW makes about $8,000 per car. A $20MM fee to federalize them would cause a loss before you even count in any modifications required to meet the US standards.

Caddy offered a very hot Corvette Powered "V" series 6MT station wagon a few years back. Ran the Ring at 8:12. Sold OK but no big winner.

So Audi either doesn't mind the loss or they believe in the trend coming back..

Salespunk · 09-24-2021, 01:42 PM

Where does the $20M cost for federalization come from? Multiple vehicles need to be submitted for crash testing plus emissions testing (which may be covered by the current M3/M4 certification). Beyond that most of their certificates/processes are already in place.

BTW Porsche makes on average $17K per vehicle and imports around 1500 GT3's. That would make the GT3 a break even car for them at best assuming $20M to federalize.

Would BMW make a lot of money by doing a limited edition M3 wagon? Definitely not. Would they have a halo car with a highly vocal/influential and hardcore customer base? Absolutely and this is critical to any company. It is probably worth more than you think to them as well. Charge $10K more for the wagon (bringing the per car profit to approximately $16K), bring in 1500 over the life of the G8x and they would break even and maybe even make some money.

The problem for a lot of the manufacturers is that they over estimate the wagon market and then flood cars here. Make a desirable car and ensure that production is slower and slightly less than demand and they will have a winner.

View Poll Results: If BMW were to offer all variants of G8x in the US, which model would you go with?
G80 M3 Sedan	192	16.81%
G81 M3 Touring	844	73.91%
G82 M4 Coupe	80	7.01%
G83 M4 Convertible	26	2.28%
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