Another feature missing from the base model - digital card key

TrentMeister · 05-08-2021, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by snareman

It's also missing from all of us with Android phones.

That's rough

zamboni · 05-08-2021, 08:01 PM

It's never a good idea to offer 6MT with digital key feature is due to safety and liability issues, on auto ZF you can enable remote start feature but not on MT, you could see why BMW never included digital key with 6MT.
To me it's not a deal breaker comfort access is sufficient with the car.

snareman · 05-08-2021, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LBbluem2

That's rough

Not that I think I'd use it that much, but still annoying.

TrentMeister · 05-08-2021, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by snareman

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Originally Posted by LBbluem2

That's rough

Not that I think I'd use it that much, but still annoying.

Yeah realistically unless your home also has comfort access you're going to have your keys no matter what

snareman · 05-09-2021, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LBbluem2

Yeah realistically unless your home also has comfort access you're going to have your keys no matter what

I mean, it kinda does. I get within a block of my house and the alarm turns off, the garage door opens and some lights turn on. I still take my keys with me though.

rak299 · 05-09-2021, 06:59 PM

I think the point is that you can carry the card in your wallet. If you lose your key, drop it into water or have some sort of other accident, you can start your car.

TrentMeister · 05-09-2021, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by snareman

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Originally Posted by LBbluem2

Yeah realistically unless your home also has comfort access you're going to have your keys no matter what

I mean, it kinda does. I get within a block of my house and the alarm turns off, the garage door opens and some lights turn on. I still take my keys with me though.

Oh that's cool, I've always wanted something like that

Pantagathus · 05-09-2021, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by snareman

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Originally Posted by LBbluem2

Yeah realistically unless your home also has comfort access you're going to have your keys no matter what

I mean, it kinda does. I get within a block of my house and the alarm turns off, the garage door opens and some lights turn on. I still take my keys with me though.

You should set it up to also play hail to the chief or something as you pull into the driveway. Nice little pick me up after a tough day

LuvMyE92 · 05-10-2021, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by snareman

I get within a block of my house and the alarm turns off, the garage door opens and some lights turn on.

How do you do that? Is it an app on your phone that uses GPS, or something else?

I have some lights controlled by Alexa and I think that's high tech.

snareman · 05-10-2021, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyE92

How do you do that? Is it an app on your phone that uses GPS, or something else?

I have some lights controlled by Alexa and I think that's high tech.

Yea, geofence settings in a few apps that arm my home alarm when I leave and do the other stuff when I get home. I think Alexa has geofence settings that can do it.

fly2crawl · 05-12-2021, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zamboni

It's never a good idea to offer 6MT with digital key feature is due to safety and liability issues, on auto ZF you can enable remote start feature but not on MT, you could see why BMW never included digital key with 6MT.
To me it's not a deal breaker comfort access is sufficient with the car.

But the digital key to unlock and start the car is no more or less dangerous then using the keyfob. I understand not having remote start on a manual but being able to unlock or start the car with the card key or phone like the automatic makes no difference to safety.

The way I see it is they didn't want to redesign their software to exclude the remote start feature on their app, and online services. They just decided for the minimal people that will get the manual it is easier to just not have it installed and not worry about changing their software.

BRIGM3 · 05-12-2021, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fly2crawl

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Originally Posted by zamboni

It's never a good idea to offer 6MT with digital key feature is due to safety and liability issues, on auto ZF you can enable remote start feature but not on MT, you could see why BMW never included digital key with 6MT.
To me it's not a deal breaker comfort access is sufficient with the car.

But the digital key to unlock and start the car is no more or less dangerous then using the keyfob. I understand not having remote start on a manual but being able to unlock or start the car with the card key or phone like the automatic makes no difference to safety.

The way I see it is they didn't want to redesign their software to exclude the remote start feature on their app, and online services. They just decided for the minimal people that will get the manual it is easier to just not have it installed and not worry about changing their software.

Agreed. The argument that you can't have remote start on a manual due to safety is a weak one. Keep in mind this transmission has sensors to know which gear, if any, is engaged, and can therefore develop remote start around that.

I also don't like the "well I don't care they left the feature out because 6MT is AwEsOmE thank you BMW" argument because BMW is literally marketing the feature, with no disclaimer that it doesn't apply to the 6MT, so yes I have issues about the feature missing.

Pantagathus · 05-12-2021, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BRIGM3

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Originally Posted by fly2crawl

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Originally Posted by zamboni

It's never a good idea to offer 6MT with digital key feature is due to safety and liability issues, on auto ZF you can enable remote start feature but not on MT, you could see why BMW never included digital key with 6MT.
To me it's not a deal breaker comfort access is sufficient with the car.

But the digital key to unlock and start the car is no more or less dangerous then using the keyfob. I understand not having remote start on a manual but being able to unlock or start the car with the card key or phone like the automatic makes no difference to safety.

The way I see it is they didn't want to redesign their software to exclude the remote start feature on their app, and online services. They just decided for the minimal people that will get the manual it is easier to just not have it installed and not worry about changing their software.

Agreed. The argument that you can't have remote start on a manual due to safety is a weak one. Keep in mind this transmission has sensors to know which gear, if any, is engaged, and can therefore develop remote start around that.

I also don't like the "well I don't care they left the feature out because 6MT is AwEsOmE thank you BMW" argument because BMW is literally marketing the feature, with no disclaimer that it doesn't apply to the 6MT, so yes I have issues about the feature missing.

I do agree they should have been explicit, the only place it really references it is in the owners manual, and at they stage presumably you already own the car. They're explicit that remote start doesn't apply to 6MT (and discount the exec package a couple of hundred bucks to reflect that). No reason they couldn't have also done that with digital key

jimbethesda · 05-12-2021, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LBbluem2

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Originally Posted by snareman

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Originally Posted by LBbluem2

That's rough

Not that I think I'd use it that much, but still annoying.

Yeah realistically unless your home also has comfort access you're going to have your keys no matter what

The only thing I currently need a key for is my car. Looking forward to just using my phone/watch/card.

Even if your house isn't high tech, most can use the built in garage door opener.

rak299 · 05-12-2021, 03:12 PM

After more research, the lack of support for the digital key card is not related to remote start. The card could provide access to the car and the ability to start by depressing the clutch and pressing the button. The problem is that on the AT models, the wireless charging is behind the shifter along with an NFC (near- field communication) sensor, which talks to the digital key card. The MT model has the wireless charger in the console box and there is no NFC sensor.

jimbethesda · 05-12-2021, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rak299

After more research, the lack of support for the digital key card is not related to remote start. The card could provide access to the car and the ability to start by depressing the clutch and pressing the button. The problem is that on the AT models, the wireless charging is behind the shifter along with an NFC (near- field communication) sensor, which talks to the digital key card. The MT model has the wireless charger in the console box and there is no NFC sensor.

Yes of course. The key card can't remote start the car.

rak299 · 05-12-2021, 03:19 PM

If it were important to BMW, they could add an NFC sensor near the MT's charging pad.

lemetier · 05-12-2021, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rak299

If it were important to BMW, they could add an NFC sensor near the MT's charging pad.

And will Regulatory Bodies approve it? Might find that there's a little hurdle when it comes to Vehicle Theft Prevention Standards.

rak299 · 05-12-2021, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lemetier

And will Regulatory Bodies approve it? Might find that there's a little hurdle when it comes to Vehicle Theft Prevention Standards.

That makes no sense. There is no greater risk than the AT model. There is no difference between having one in the rear of the console vs. the front.

Multimodal · 05-12-2021, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rak299

That makes no sense. There is no greater risk than the AT model. There is no difference between having one in the rear of the console vs. the front.

I imagine when you change the component and/or its location you have to get it approved by regulatory bodies again. That's probably a more substantial cost (in dollars and time) than engineering the part.

lemetier · 05-12-2021, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rak299

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Originally Posted by lemetier

And will Regulatory Bodies approve it? Might find that there's a little hurdle when it comes to Vehicle Theft Prevention Standards.

That makes no sense. There is no greater risk than the AT model. There is no difference between having one in the rear of the console vs. the front.

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Originally Posted by rak299

That makes no sense. There is no greater risk than the AT model. There is no difference between having one in the rear of the console vs. the front.

I imagine when you change the component and/or its location you have to get it approved by regulatory bodies again. That's probably a more substantial cost (in dollars and time) than engineering the part.

There is a greater risk with MT, and the reason why regulators are only providing waivers for AT vehicles.

BRIGM3 · 05-12-2021, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lemetier

There is a greater risk with MT, and the reason why regulators are only providing waivers for AT vehicles.

Care to explain how?

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