02-07-2024, 10:07 AM | #67 | |
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I was on the most aggressive map on RaceChip and had no clutch slip issues. I was also on an OTS bootmod3 map with no clutch slip issues (10-15k miles in). It wasn't until I was pushing close to 600wtq on a custom map where my clutch started to slip, so please - stop peddling BMW's bs. Edit: I'll concede that more power will shorten the life of the stock clutch, but making the same power as the Comp models wouldn't constitute a night and day difference in terms of miles. It's purely for marketing and $$$ reasons.
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The proof is BMW themselves. They built the M3 3.0 CSL with 553bhp and the same ZF procured manual transmission found on the base G80 M3.
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Wow, hey tough guy - it’s the torque figure as OP said. You’re quoting HP now which is not the limiting factor for the 6MT. The manual may be able to handle more torque than ~406 lb-ft, but for how long? The 3.0 CSL still has the lower torque figure similar to the base G80/82.
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But if the boost pressure goes up, as it clearly has on the S58 found in the 3.0 CSL, it's very likely that torque figures go up too. The only way to know for sure is with a dyno of the two cars on the same day, which will probably never happen. But given the fact that no one's slipping on a RaceChip Map 7/JB4 on 93 fuel, to my knowledge, means the stock clutch can handle far more than BMW's thrown at it. Again, BMW can claim that they've decreased power/torque for longevity reasons, but it's not the primary reason why they did it and anyone that understands the fact that BMW is beholden to its shareholders should understand that.
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Fair enough. But I don’t claim to know or to understand why they did it. What I will say is I like the torque figure on my base M3. I wouldn’t mind a bit more HP especially at higher RPMs so it feels like it’s accelerating to red line. But I’m not complaining - it’s a great engine and thoroughly quick enough for me. The comp is insane and suitable for destroying a track time.
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If the claim is the manual can’t handle the torque then maybe they need a better manual. I don’t buy the argument since the CT5-BW comes with 650+ HP and TQ and still has a 6 speed manual.
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The Black Wing and the Mustang Dark Horse both use Tremec 6MT transmissions. BMW should too, then they wouldn't have that problem of handling the torque. It's one of the best manual transmissions out there. |
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It really was. If a car was ever a spaz, it’s the F80. I do miss mine.
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And I have read repeatedly that BMW mandates the clutch in the CSL 3.0 needs replacing every X 10k miles. Not sure if that is an urban legend, but I would be cautious when comparing the ultra small series 3.0 CSL with the base M3. It could also be that BMW just priced in warranty clutch replacements into the 3.0.CSL's MSRP.
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As you say, the proof is BMW themeless. The manual transmission cannot reliably handle extra torque. |
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I agree the new headlights are a tough sell. does anyone know if you can install the older laser headlights? If it is coded it might be hard or even physically not possible.
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I myself am trying to figure out if I wait a few months for a 2025 G80 allocation or submit a 2024 build right now. My lease is up in May.
So far I am seeing a 20HP bump and new headlights. Anyone know if we will be getting the new tails that are on the 2025 G82 as well? I also see the 2025 G82 will be getting idrive 8.5 which is in my wife’s 2024 X5 and it’s awesome. |
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and that it will get iDrive 8.5. not thrilled about the headlights, but it looks like all the new 5-series have plain LED's I've passed on 2 2024 allocations and hearing that you like 8.5 might make it worthwhile. at least I'll get to drive my '18 'vert for one more summer. |
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Im not feeling the 25 front lights at all. But I want that 25HP. Ugh. Im tempted to jump back to a 911. BMW is just all over the place looks wise these days.
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