[JDUNITNOW]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Most of that sounds like emotional/subjective critiques rather than OBJECTIVE critiques. Try again.

How about just moving to another brand, I am sure BMW will survive.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Wyndi335I

How about just moving to another brand, I am sure BMW will survive.

Agreed!

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Most of that sounds like emotional/subjective critiques rather than OBJECTIVE critiques. Try again.

I was only trying to humor you since you seem to be getting into the other posters face.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

I was only trying to humor you since you seem to be getting into the other posters face.

Naw! I just like the dialogue. I get into enough people's faces at work. The forums are just fun, never personal. You still owe me In & Out homie. Do I have to pull you over just to get you to pay up? :P

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Naw! I just like the dialogue. I get into enough people's faces at work. The forums are just fun, never personal. You still owe me In & Out homie. Do I have to pull you over just to get you to pay up? :P

Hahaha yeah, for sure man. When things clear up I'll hit you up.

[Thus]

Some quick-and-dirty mockups of aftermarket edits.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Thus

Some quick-and-dirty mockups of aftermarket edits.

Thanks for the effort, but naw!

[Bluer2]

Have faith in iND i will

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Bluer2

Have faith in iND i will

Don't be surprised if they love the car and don't change the front end at all.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Most of that sounds like emotional/subjective critiques rather than OBJECTIVE critiques. Try again.

Let me try. I honestly can't think of many, but I remember thinking WTF with these two: 2 Series Active/Gran Tourer and, to a lesser degree, the new 2 Series Gran Coupe. Still subjective, I know.

[steker]

Looking at the M3/M4 grill, I have a feeling it might be more difficult to modify than with the regular 4. It seems so integrated that you would need an entire new front for a different design.

With the regular 4 you could at least change the grill insert or change the colour of it.

[MFNATIK]

There is too much incoherence with the current design that short of a total redesign, it's never going to look like "wow". I guess we can settle on, looks "ok". I don't know too many people who are willing to drop 80-90k on a car that looks just "ok" tho haha

[frankchn]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

There is too much incoherence with the current design that short of a total redesign, it's never going to look like "wow". I guess we can settle on, looks "ok". I don't know too many people who are willing to drop 80-90k on a car that looks just "ok" tho haha

I mean, have you seen the 911 (especially the high end Turbos at $200k+)?

That general design looks "OK" compared to Astons, McLarens, Ferraris, and Lambos (and hasn't changed much in years) but that doesn't stop folks from buying them.

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by frankchn

I mean, have you seen the 911 (especially the high end Turbos at $200k+)?

That general design looks "OK" compared to Astons, McLarens, Ferraris, and Lambos (and hasn't changed much in years) but that doesn't stop folks from buying them.

Personally not a fan of the squashed beetle myself so if I had 200k to spend it sure wouldn't be on the P brand haha. Not my cup of tea but I'm sure others may feel different.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by frankchn

I mean, have you seen the 911 (especially the high end Turbos at $200k+)?

That general design looks "OK" compared to Astons, McLarens, Ferraris, and Lambos (and hasn't changed much in years) but that doesn't stop folks from buying them.

I would have swapped our Cayenne into a new one by now if it was a remotely interesting update. Turns out it’s plain boring. Same with the 992, my wife and I drove it and it’s lovely and if it wasn’t for Covid striking we would have bought it but it would have been against our feeling that it’s a terribly boring exterior design update from the 991. Laziest ever for Porsche.

[NathObeaN]

The race car sounds amazing. The standard M4... did they even show any 'normal' sound? I heard post-production stuff and even that was limited. We'll have to wait until production reveal but I suspect due to regulations and such it may be a little muted. I'd love to be wrong though!

Also bear in mind that all these sound recordings from race tracks are somewhat irrelevant because they can get away with removing cats, filters etc to make them sound good. I've witnessed this at Goodwood and other marketing-driven reveals/events. It's cheating, but they do it. Let's wait for road reveals and reviews before judging sound.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Jason

G80 trolls banned.

It got really tiring months ago.

Every time they don't like it...then but it

Now this gen goes S58 and MXDrive I think it's going it hand out an ass whooping to its peers which caught up a little.

The X3M figures are absolutely devastating. Take hundreds of Kg away from that

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by JustChris

It got really tiring months ago.

Every time they don't like it...then but it

Now this gen goes S58 and MXDrive I think it's going it hand out an ass whooping to its peers which caught up a little.

The X3M figures are absolutely devastating. Take hundreds of Kg away from that

Not to bring up politics, but the negative comments being voiced are in hopes of BMW taking notice and fixing the most revered M car ever made.

Similar to how people constantly protest the same issue to impact change? If you don't stay consistent, you'll be less impactful.

Most people commenting on the G80's appearance are F80 and other BMW models owners. So obviously it's not vitriol against the company, but against their most recent controversial design.

[Nahlem]

Originally Posted by paliknight

Not to bring up politics, but the negative comments being voiced are in hopes of BMW taking notice and fixing the most revered M car ever made.

Similar to how people constantly protest the same issue to impact change? If you don't stay consistent, you'll be less impactful.

Most people commenting on the G80's appearance are F80 and other BMW models owners. So obviously it's not vitriol against the company, but against their most recent controversial design.

Here is the thing with comments on these forums everyone here is for the right to express opinions and free speech. But there is a certain point where if you watch the forums closely i my self ain't no moderator but even i can see when certain members of the forums because they are so displeased with the design of the car even though it is probably gonna be changed in the not to distant future, when certain people keep expressing their opinions as if it is a fact or it is the truth in some way, or simply that is the "correct" opinion to have. This is seen not only on forums but all over the world if you are of the "right" opinion then that opinion no matter what anyone says is the correct one to have so that becomes the so called"absolute" truth.

That is when it becomes a problem, i have followed the discussions of the G80 for a long time now and the moderators have respected peoples opinions for a very long time but when every thread gets filled with the same comments over and over and drowning out any discussions that may occur that is somewhat interesting and not just another "right" opinion to have then the moderators should act.

Because the truth of the matter is, an opinion is an opinion without fact behind it then that is what it is just another opinion from members on the forums trying to make their opinion of the car become a fact then that is when we get a problem. Because what you feel about the looks of this car and remember it is after all just a car that in 8-15 years will change quite drastically it is only your look on it and certainly other people will probably feel and think like you but it still doesn't make it a fact.

Discussions are to be free and held but when the discussions is posting same old memes of the BMW grill growing in size for every model and becoming the whole car in the end, and same old post about, BMW is trying to kill itself or this is a disaster design or this ain't BMW heritage. Thats when the discussions ain't no discussions anymore it is just gossiping, the same type of gossiping you can hear the elderly have about certain stuff at the downtown local grocery shop.

Well guess what our opinions on what BMW heritage is, probably quite different to what the company thinks and as with anything it is bound to change. Nothing stays the same forever and for good reasons and neither will this design be forever.

To simply put it if you don't like it, and you have already stated your opinion on the design in the previous 10 threads preceding this one, and you ain't going to buy the car.
Then stop flooding the forums with that type of opinion cause if you have already stated it and you gotten your freedom of speech to express it, stop spamming it in every coming thread about the G80.

It is as simple as that.
Let your wallet do the talking and walking. And to those that is going to keep the F80 for a long time fantastic you are doing the environment a favor and using your car to the fullest. And you will save a buck or a few more not spending those cash on a new car.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Nahlem

when every thread gets filled with the same comments over and over and drowning out any discussions that may occur that is somewhat interesting and not just another "right" opinion to have then the moderators should act.

I concur. It's not a 1st amendment issue (these are private forums and we are not entitled to free speech as a matter of law), its only a matter of keeping these threads productive.

The same jokes over and over again ("guess the residual value of my F8x just went up! hehehe") combined with the fact that the unveil has not yet occurred (I will look askance at anyone who has a fully formed opinion prior to the actual unveiling) forced the Mods to step in.

We were also formally warned with a sticky.

[pbar]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

I concur. It's not a 1st amendment issue (these are private forums and we are not entitled to free speech as a matter of law), its only a matter of keeping these threads productive.

The same jokes over and over again ("guess the residual value of my F8x just went up! hehehe") combined with the fact that the unveil has not yet occurred (I will look askance at anyone who has a fully formed opinion prior to the actual unveiling) forced the Mods to step in.

We were also formally warned with a sticky.

FWIW, I feel like I've read this post about 100 times too. ;-)

[VTX3]

Very seriously considering an order (base RWD, 6MT, Cloth, São Paulo, basically nothing else). Although no question I'd get the touring if available in the US. My "concern" is that they'll change the grill for the LCI. Then I'd be stuck with something I don't personally mind that much, but others really dislike, that was replaced with something much better looking. Scott26 mentioned in the touring thread that the grill appears here to stay even with the LCI. So perhaps I need not be concerned.