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Here's where I disagree. They aren't trying to corral us into buying an AT so they have a justification to kill the 6MT. The 6MT is dying because the internal combustion engine is dying (and transmissions of all kinds with it). It doesn't matter. I have a 2 year old son. I don't think he will ever even learn to drive. Billions of dollars is being spent on quantum computing and topography programming to get us to driverless cars.
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I think there will be a larger number of 6mt buyers for the M3 bc BMW has effectively cornered the market for manuals. I'm also not a hardcore BMW fan boy (not meant in a negative way), so my opinion may not reflect the typical Bimmerpost member. I say this bc the only reason I got an m2 comp is bc it's the only car offered with a stick, with driving dynamics I enjoy and daily usability I want. If I was only looking at automatics/dct/no 3rd pedal, I'd never buy a BMW. I'm happy knowing that I'll have the option to buy an M3 w/ a manual for a few more years and I really don't care if it has every single option available. In fact, I'm hoping they make a manual wagon. I could care less if it has carbon seats, or AWD, or ambient lighting. If I have to say "hey BMW" or wave my hands around to an AI interface to work the radio and AC, I'd kick my own ass. Again, I know I'm in the minority but the fact that I can get a manual has compelled me to finally buy a BMW. The more analog the car, the better. But I understand the OP's POV. For die hard bmw fans I can see how they'd want the top trim level with access to all the features on a DCT car but also have the option of a stick, and since they're not getting said option, they may feel there's a nefarious plan to get rid of all manuals. I actually think it's a smart decision by BMW to increase manual tranny market share and sell more cars. |
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My current opinion is that the pricing and options for the M3/M4 cars will kill the MT. There are certainly a few that will choose whatever configuration offers a manual. but WE are in the minority. I think many previous manual buyers will go over to the dark side to get more power and different options for about the same price. The difference is $2900 and the base model charges $1300 for wheels that many will want and are included on the competition model. My plan was to order a base model at the end of next year, but I'm afraid that the take rate on the base model will be low enough that the option will be killed in U.S. on the 2022 cars. I hope there is some time between when the 2022 ordering guides are leaked and when they stop taking orders on the 2021 cars.
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11-18-2020, 12:41 PM | #92 | |
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They are not killing off the base model, not at least during the life cycle of this model. The UK (Right hand drive cars for the ROW in the F80 production numbers) had a f**king 2% take rate on the F80 in 6MT. Literally, 2% and you could get one on the F80 all the way until the end. Now they didn't get the manual for the G8x but then again, they didn't earn one with those numbers. There was a pretty solid 28.5% take rate on the F80 (and presumably something similar if not slightly more on the F82 but we don't have numbers, at least not yet). I personally feel a lot of people had buyer's remorse with the DCT on the last gen. I know 2 individuals going back to 6MT after having 1 or more DCT F8x's. Also, there are 2x as many deposits on the G80 in 6MT at my dealer compared to the G80 comp. (8 to 4 respectively). You will be able to order it in 2022 and beyond. This is my least favorite thread in bimmerpost history (2nd least favorite is Yas Marina Blue Regrets lol). BMW is saving the 6MT and people are accusing the one car company who's listening to us 6MT enthusiasts of deliberately killing off that which they continue to sell.
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If they had, for example, the base model in 6MT with a lesser suspension, less cool seats, no seat belt stitching (i.e., the F80 comp versus the base) THEN some of these arguments would hold some water. However, you can get the same exact options in the transmission of your choice if you're willing to sacrifice some power and torque. Us manual drivers are slow as sh*t anyways. It's not a real issue to me. 480 hp, even with the weight increase, will be fine for the first 1,200 miles until i tune.
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BMW is still making a manual M3/4 with the G8X generation... but people are complaining? Nuts |
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I'm not complaining. 480 HP is more than I need. My F30 B58 has plenty of power also. I think I am in the minority and that the take rate will be low. I think the low take rate will kill it.
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11-18-2020, 09:22 PM | #96 | |
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BMW is now hampering the manual in this generation by putting it in the "lesser" model. Just because a few diehards are "lining up" for the initial vehicle drop doesn't mean the take rates will be high throughout the lifecycle. It won't. |
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11-18-2020, 09:47 PM | #97 | |
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Even Porsche GT cars were exclusively manual until the 991 GT3. Not only that, but the McLaren F1 was the quickest accelerating and fastest top speed car for about 15 yrs and it had a 6 speed manual. Of course, manuals were not always just about speed, but about the joy and experience of feeling directly connected to the transmission and what's going on with the car. Even though the G80 M3 6MT is underpowered and undoubtedly slower than the auto, I will 100% be getting the manual. In the past 20 yrs or so, I've made the mistake of buying 2 automatic cars. Both cars, literally as soon as I brought them home, I would immediately begin thinking about how to get rid of it and get back into a manual. I'll keep buying manuals as long as they make them and when they finally stop, instead of buying an automatic, I'm going to go right to the electric powered self driving egg with no steering wheel and no transmission controls. |
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The GXX series is now off the radar for me due to no manual in the U.K.
Mid and long term plans are GR Yaris daily (ordered and Feb 2021) and C2S manual lifetime garage keeper. Aero kit, exhaust, sunroof. Hardly apples to apples of course but it's just a shame to not even have the option. About 15 BMWs in it's probably time for a little change too. Great cars, but the U.K. forces Comp pack and no manual isn't great.
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I'm willing to bet that since this is almost certainly the last gen with a manual (and maybe even the last gen thats an ICE or a non-hybrid variant) that the US take rate will increase. I am willing to be you $1 and since we both live on Long Island, you don't have to worry about collecting.
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It is the lesser model. It's cheaper with less horsepower. In the car world that's the lesser model. The styling alone will kill/hamper this models sales numbers. No way the take rate will increase. The diehards aren't even going to be getting this car. It's pretty much you, sedan clan and solstice. Lol The target audience for this car (Kith 20 somethings) can't even drive a manual. Let's agree to disagree and we will revisit this in a few years. |
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Very harsh! M-DCT really shines on track and is perfect for the track optimized CS.
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It is not necessarily a deal killer, but I will consider the CT5-V /CT4-V Blackwings that are coming with 6MT. I am going to buy a manual sedan just not sure which one. Last edited by seis-speed; 11-20-2020 at 03:51 PM.. |
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It's not a critique of the DCT...it just bores me to have less than 3 pedals.
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The OP was pissed off at the time of press release late september, wrote this an angry thread about how keeping a manual transmission is how BMW is killing the manual transmission, and now it's just us "regulars" sitting at the bar arguing over grilles.
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Being a one car driver in the northeast, a less powerful, RWD variant genuinely makes my decision more difficult, and I have only driven manual cars except for one DSG audi s4 for the last 18 years. ~~70k AWD 500hp sedan can change priorities. I'm going to have to drive the auto and then make my own whiny thread about how mushy it is and how you have to shift it at 3,000 RPMs or else it lags all the way to redline before I know for sure. Stay tuned. And for the love of all that is holy we really do need some more new info if we're still talking on this thread 😉 |
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As an owner of an F80 Competition manual, I don't see the point of moving to the G80 manual. It's RWD, heavier and not faster, and then there's that grille. There's no incentive for me to move. Now if they had put the manual into the G80 Competition instead of the lesser base model, that's a different ball game and might entice me to switch (I say "might" because... well... there's that grille).
So, do I believe that the take rate of the manual would be higher if it were offered on the Competition model instead of the lesser base model? Yes, I do, absolutely. |
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