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thats one common misconception of audis that they are all "FWD-based" .. yes weight is disproportionally over the front axel and lower end models use transverse engine design coupled with haldex awd, vast majority of cars have longitiunitally mounted engines and permanent rear biased AWD with optional mechanical torque vectoring (i have no idea why that is optional as audi banks so heavily on the Quattro branding)
easier to think VAG platforms that cars are based on... MQB based (Golf, A3) are transverse engine, haldex awd MLB based (anything from A4 to Bentayga and Urus ) have longitiunitally mounted engines with torsen AWD . Although recently they have introduced quattro "ultra" which behaves more like a haldex system, i.e. rear axel typically disonnected Then there's also a MSB platform (just panamera, continental gt, and flying spur sitting on it) that look similar to MLB but is Porsche designed (MLB is audi designed), some internal VAG portfolio politics going on there
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3 years of driving an audi and daydreaming about porsches does wonder for your VW group trivia night performance
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The Audi we know today (post WW2) had not built a single RWD production car until a one off RWD R8 Version. Their chassis are built for FWD with optional AWD. R8 again being the difference were FWD is not offered.
BMW only built RWD cars, some with option for AWD until recently. Does it matter in terms of balance and turn-in? It has in every Audi and BMW I’ve driven. More so in the traverse engine mounted Haldex cars than the Torsen diff cars but it’s still a noticeable difference to an Xdrive car. Audis plow. Last edited by solstice; 11-12-2020 at 02:10 AM.. |
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Absolutely. This started when they decided to switch to FWD and 4-cyl engines as well.
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And the weight over the front axle is mainly a symptom of the FWD chassis where the engines are mounted more forward and only marginally a symptom of the AWD transfer case weight. I.e. adding AWD to a RWD car like a BMW or Porsche does not make it behave like an Audi. That is a misconception.
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My point though is that BMW is edging more and more in that direction, heavier AWD cars with more weight on the front axle. This moves them closer to "Audi" handling dynamics and away from traditional BMW ones.
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At least Porsche continue upping the game in terms of driving feel and engagement.
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I am not comparing between eras (almost a quarter century). The discussion here is one generation to the next: F8X->G8X, 991->992
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It’s not specific to this generation it’s been the trend for decades. Heavier, AWD option, more technology , more isolation, less driver involvement etc, etc. No need to single out a generation.
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But I am. What was done 20 years ago is gone and begone. Porsche is PRESENTLY focused at increasing driving pleasure and driver engagement in their sports offerings. That cannot be said of BMW. This is what matters to me in my CURRENT purchases.
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Understood and Porsche should be applauded for it. BMW on the other hand just continue on the same trend it’s always been on. The F80 didn’t add weight but it grew bigger and added isolation in steering and a sterile overall experience. The G8X is again bigger and heavier but might add some more driver connection in terms of steering and sound. That front axle might also be more engaging. We will have to wait and see.
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I’m far from decided myself. I have 3-4 cars in the running, two are P-cars. And while I agree weight is getting out of hand for this segment I suspect the G8X will be just as fun and capable on street and track as the F8X. Interesting weight note, I was at the city dump yesterday. Our Cayenne weighed 4576 lbs with me in it. Not bad for a truck, maybe he G82 will be close Last edited by solstice; 11-13-2020 at 04:30 PM.. |
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