[Vic55]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

992 turbo S lightweight, stock does 9.9 in the quarter.

This was C and D

Car and Driver adjusts for conditions ... and they said 2.1 to 60 which is with rollout ...

C and D- the viagara of magazine tests

LOL

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Vic55

This was C and D

Car and Driver adjusts for conditions ... and they said 2.1 to 60 which is with rollout ...

C and D- the viagara of magazine tests

LOL

LOL. Either way its the fastest car and still a relatively low hp rating. At the same time, its a fantastic GT car, a track monster with some GT flavor thrown in. A unicorn of cars. That said, GT cars are far and away the ones that I enjoy the most because as much as they make a riveting turbo engine, their NA engines are masterpieces that are unrivaled.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

LOL. Either way its the fastest car and still a relatively low hp rating. At the same time, its a fantastic GT car, a track monster with some GT flavor thrown in. A unicorn of cars. That said, GT cars are far and away the ones that I enjoy the most because as much as they make a riveting turbo engine, their NA engines are masterpieces that are unrivaled.

I think the Turbo S in any way shape or form is incredible except for one OEM thing ...

The vacuum exhaust where as the normal 992 flat 6 and my GTS have much better exhaust sounds via OEM PSE.

GT cars are not even to be discussed here LOL.

I personally would not get the LW package for negligible tenths vs the 10 decibel sound increase inside... but thats me.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I think the Turbo S in any way shape or form is incredible except for one OEM thing ...

The vacuum exhaust where as the normal 992 flat 6 and my GTS have much better exhaust sounds via OEM PSE.

GT cars are not even to be discussed here LOL.

I personally would not get the LW package for negligible tenths vs the 10 decibel sound increase inside... but thats me.

Me either. Same with the GTS cars. Adding buckets reduces the practicality of the rear seats. Might as well just get a GT car if you want a 2 seater.

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

992 turbo S lightweight, stock does 9.9 in the quarter.

I'm just going off of the 911 HUL car that I've seen on CarWow.

I also believe you're weight figures are slightly off. A 992 turbo S weights ~3650 lbs. An M3 xdrive is ~3920 so ~270 lbs vs the 375.

Ah, yes, I went back to where I got the weight of the 992, and it was indeed the 991 Turbo, I don't know how I missed that the first time. And I just went off the M3 weight, that BMW Blog posted.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

992 turbo S lightweight, stock does 9.9 in the quarter.

I also believe you're weight figures are slightly off. A 992 turbo S weights ~3650 lbs. An M3 xdrive is ~3920 so ~270 lbs vs the 375.

Well the video claims 1780 kg vs 1640 kg so the difference is 140kg ( 308lb)… but the drivers offset 40-50 lb lol

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by WAB

Wonder what would happen if they had to turn the steering wheel

7:17 to a 7:28 on The Nürburgring Nordschleife. Both driven by Christian Gebhardt, whos noted to be 6-10sec off the pro drivers pace.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

7:17 to a 7:28 on The Nürburgring Nordschleife. Both driven by Christian Gebhardt, whos noted to be 6-10sec off the pro drivers pace.

One of them was tested on regular PZ4 street tires while the other was on PSC2 .

And BTW, Christian Gebhardt is a “pro driver”. He is slightly slower than factory drivers because he only gets one or two laps to set his laptime, which is also not always in ideal conditions. As opposed to factory drivers who are inherently more familiar with the car they drive and get multiple attempts and occasions to do their best lap.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I think the Turbo S in any way shape or form is incredible except for one OEM thing ...

The vacuum exhaust where as the normal 992 flat 6 and my GTS have much better exhaust sounds via OEM PSE.

That changed significantly with the 992 relative to the 991. I find my 992 TT with PSE has a much throatier and louder sound than my buddies 992 C2S.

[Limegrntaln]

Not sure which one is the cars was on the PZ4 but the BMW "track pack" comes from the factory with Sport Cup2s. I'll post a car with them from the factory, below.

Not really calling Christian an amateur, by any means. I was more or less referring to the guys that are literally getting paid by manufacturers to just drive. Like what you referred to.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Not sure which one is the cars was on the PZ4 but the BMW "track pack" comes from the factory with Sport Cup2s. I'll post a car with them from the factory, below.

Not really calling Christian an amateur, by any means. I was more or less referring to the guys that are literally getting paid by manufacturers to just drive. Like what you referred to.

The M4 was indeed on PSC2 while the 992TT-S was on PZ4. For some reason, Porsche no longer offer a track tire option on the 992 TT/TT-S as they did with previous generations. Switching to PSC2 made a huge difference on my car. On the same tire, the gap between the two would be even greater.

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The M4 was indeed on PSC2 while the 992TT-S was on PZ4. On the same tire, the gap between the two would be even greater.

Sad how they recognize the CSL time and neither of the G82 RWD or xDrive times are on there. Maybe it's on some lists. It's not on the wiki list, anyway.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Sad how they recognize the CSL time and neither of the G82 RWD or xDrive times are on there. Maybe it's on some lists. It's not on the wiki list, anyway.

BMW have never published “factory” times for their “normal” ///M variants. As far as I know, they’ve only done so for the F82GTS, F8Xcs and G82CSL. That being said, the factory time of 7:16 for the CSL was done with even stickier PSC2R tires…

[CSanto]

If you think about the fact that the 992 TTS beats out cars like the Aventador SV, 812 Superfast, Pista, 720s - this is insane
From a roll you'll prob get smoked by some of those cars, but the AWD launch levels the playing field!

Can we say the G80 is a damn sick bang for the buck?

[BulkBen]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The M4 was indeed on PSC2 while the 992TT-S was on PZ4. For some reason, Porsche no longer offer a track tire option on the 992 TT/TT-S as they did with previous generations. Switching to PSC2 made a huge difference on my car. On the same tire, the gap between the two would be even greater.

That is seriously odd that Porsche have the 992TT punted around on PS4's.
Could it be to prevent embarrassing the GTS 3?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by BulkBen

That is seriously odd that Porsche have the 992TT punted around on PS4's.

Not even Michelin PS4S, but measly PZ4 (Pirelli P-Zero 4th generation).

Originally Posted by BulkBen

Could it be to prevent embarrassing the GTS 3?

I assume you meant GT3 here...

If so, very possibly. Independent tests have shown less than a second (~0.7sec) per minute lap between the GT3 on PSC2 and TT-S on PZ4 around a short tight track that favours the GT3. The TT-S on PSC2 would more than likely trump the GT3 around a track. This is not new, the 991.2 TT-S was faster around the 'ring than the 991.2 GT3, both on r-comp tires. But the GT3 would still provide the more engaging driving experience IMO, lap times is not everything.

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by BulkBen

That is seriously odd that Porsche have the 992TT punted around on PS4's.
Could it be to prevent embarrassing the GTS 3?

Same idea with the CSL and the xDrive. CSL is a 7:20 Full lap and the xDrive is a 7:28, with Christian driving. How fast is the xDrive with Cup2RS and a BMW driver? And how can a car that weight 340 pounds more, be almost, or, with tires and driver, just as fast? I'd the xDrive just that fast, around the track? It's only 2 seconds faster than the RWD at a 7:30.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Same idea with the CSL and the xDrive. CSL is a 7:20 Full lap and the xDrive is a 7:28, with Christian driving. How fast is the xDrive with Cup2RS and a BMW driver? And how can a car that weight 340 pounds more, be almost, or, with tires and driver, just as fast? I'd the xDrive just that fast, around the track? It's only 2 seconds faster than the RWD at a 7:30.

The 7:20 and 7:28 (really 7:29 when rounded) are not for the same lap length. You need to use the official 7:16 lap time for the CSL to compare the same lap length. Still 13 seconds is not a huge difference for PSC2R and factory vs Supertest drivers, as you stated.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The M4 was indeed on PSC2 while the 992TT-S was on PZ4. For some reason, Porsche no longer offer a track tire option on the 992 TT/TT-S as they did with previous generations. Switching to PSC2 made a huge difference on my car. On the same tire, the gap between the two would be even greater.

Even the 992 Carrera S time was on a normal summer tire for Sport Auto.
I think they do it to sandbag some of the times because the turbo S would likely be just as quick as a GT3 on the same tire.

[G80OG]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Even the 992 Carrera S time was on a normal summer tire for Sport Auto.
I think they do it to sandbag some of the times because the turbo S would likely be just as quick as a GT3 on the same tire.

What was the company name that did the tuning? I didn't understand what he said

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Even the 992 Carrera S time was on a normal summer tire for Sport Auto.
I think they do it to sandbag some of the times because the turbo S would likely be just as quick as a GT3 on the same tire.

Were “track tires” ever offered as a factory option on the Carrera-S ?

[solstice]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The 7:20 and 7:28 are not for the same lap length. You need to use the official 7:16 lap time for the CSL to compare the same lap length. Still 12 seconds is not a huge difference for PSC2R and factory vs Supertest drivers, as you stated.

It will be interesting to see what the extra 40hp does to that 12s gap for the M3CS. And maybe that car gets the M5CS type light weight rear seats to further narrow the gap. It doesn’t seem impossible to close it with 5s making what is left an error of margin to the expected PSC2R advantage. Something seems slightly off with the CSL’s time, especially since we are comparing Sport Auto M4CX time to a BMW factory driver time…