[m balla]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Auto Express got lazy when putting this video together. The iDrive footage is from an F90 LCI

The G8X's iDrive screen has a different shape and too boot, you can clearly see the F90 M5 displayed.

There you go... it’s a beast out of the box. And probably leaves room for a cs/l variant. Not sure how many will be able to snag an M2CS, but tuning this to your specs will give you presence and thrills on the cheap. It’s more affordable to track one of these every so often when the 992 tts will just be a garage queen. Just curious of how the weight will offset balance in the corners when awd comes out. Thank you for catching that.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by m balla

.Just curious of how the weight will offset balance in the corners when awd comes out.

That’s the million dollar question. No one knows the answer yet. With the 100 lbs or so extra in a good spot, longitudinally centered at the bottom of the car, forward but between the axles it might not be very noticeable taken the reportedly very good front axle/front end grip. We’ll just need to be patient to be sure.

M340 RWD vs AWD should give some indication but that car lacks the front end advantages of the G8X so not very helpful.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by m balla

There you go... it’s a beast out of the box. And probably leaves room for a cs/l variant. Not sure how many will be able to snag an M2CS, but tuning this to your specs will give you presence and thrills on the cheap. It’s more affordable to track one of these every so often when the 992 tts will just be a garage queen. Just curious of how the weight will offset balance in the corners when awd comes out. Thank you for catching that.

Not sure if your comment was specifically targeted at me since you responded to my post, but my upcoming 992turbo will certainly not be garage queen. I intend to daily drive it through all 4 seasons and take it to the track 20+ days per year, just as I did with my ///Ms over the last 20 years .

[solstice]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Not sure if your comment was specifically targeted at me since you responded to my post, but my upcoming 992turbo will certainly not be garage queen. I intend to daily drive it through all 4 seasons and take it to the track 20+ days per year, just as I did with my ///Ms over the last 20 years .

I’m not normally an envious person but this make me turn hulk color

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Not sure if your comment was specifically targeted at me since you responded to my post, but my upcoming 992[SIZE="1"]turbo[/SIZE] will certainly not be garage queen. I intend to daily drive it through all 4 seasons and take it to the track 20+ days per year, just as I did with my ///Ms over the last 20 years .

I, too, would daily drive my 911 GT3 if I owned one. Garage queen it would not be.

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Few things to note,
The QF is on basically slicks, the tires have a 60 treadwear rating. They last less than 10K miles, can't be driven on at temperatures below 45 and hydroplane. if you put the car on regular street tires, or hell, high performance street tires, it's not the magical darling you think it is.
The G80 is faster in this case but for how long? You're not going to take your car to the track to do 1 lap.
What we do know is that according to this video at least, the car is very well balanced, which for 99% of drivers who don't track, that is perfect.
I'm actually glad that the Alfa came out and made BMW up their game. Competition, pardon the pun, is a good thing.

It is impressive that every time someone catches up with BMW, BMW ups their game. At one point even Infiniti seemed like they could challenge for the 3 series market and were planning on a GTR based M fighter before they fizzled. Now it's Alfa. The hallmark of a great company is how they respond - Alfa, ball is in your court now 😊

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Jaffrey

It is impressive that every time someone catches up with BMW, BMW ups their game. At one point even Infiniti seemed like they could challenge for the 3 series market and were planning on a GTR based M fighter before they fizzled. Now it's Alfa. The hallmark of a great company is how they respond - Alfa, ball is in your court now 😊

IMO, the ball never was in "BMW's court" against the Alfa, even the ol' F8X won more comparatives reviews and track battles when pitted against the Giulia QV .

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

IMO, the ball never was in "BMW's court" against the Alfa, even the ol' F8X won more comparatives reviews and track battles when pitted against the Giulia QV .

Exactly, thank you

People must have revisionist memories. The Alfa 4 cheese pizza was pitted vs the F8X many times. Mags that hated plenty of the early F8Xs, like Evo Mag, give the ZCP F8X the win vs the Alfa.

Still though, the Alfa does have the standing world record of all cars ever built. Almost every mag that received one to test ended up with all sorts of issues. Actually buying an Alfa makes unprotected bedtime activities with a lady of the night seem like safe by comparison.
I respect what they did, but for a vehicle to be an option it needs to function properly.

[wj100]

As a previous E90 and F82 owner and a current Giulia QV owner, I can honestly state that my 2.5 years of Alfa ownership have been more trouble-free than any of my previous BMWs. I've had exactly zero unexpected trips to the dealer with the Alfa and the reliability issues are vastly overblown. I know plenty of other Alfa owners who have had the same experience as I have, so I'm not the only lucky one.

Not taking anything away from BMW as I drove BMW cars for 12 of the previous 15 years before getting the Alfa... And I'm sure a G80 is in my future, but I wouldn't let the perception of reliability issues dissuade a potential buyer from considering a QV...

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by weinerj100

As a previous E90 and F82 owner and a current Giulia QV owner, I can honestly state that my 2.5 years of Alfa ownership have been more trouble-free than any of my previous BMWs. I've had exactly zero unexpected trips to the dealer with the Alfa and the reliability issues are vastly overblown. I know plenty of other Alfa owners who have had the same experience as I have, so I'm not the only lucky one.

Not taking anything away from BMW as I drove BMW cars for 12 of the previous 15 years before getting the Alfa... And I'm sure a G80 is in my future, but I wouldn't let the perception of reliability issues dissuade a potential buyer from considering a QV...

I'm glad your car works well. I don't have an axe to grind with the Alfa, the enemy of my enemy is my friend

I haven't considered one due to the issues at launch. Kind of like I'll never have a C7 Z06 after their overheating screwups at the track

[wj100]

I just feel fortunate to be able to drive such great cars honestly. It's a marvel to think of how reliable these things are in general given all the tech.

I'll cross the Tesla Cyber Truck off your shopping list too since those windows shatter when you breathe on them.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by weinerj100

I just feel fortunate to be able to drive such great cars honestly.

I'll cross the Tesla Cyber Truck off your shopping list too since those windows shatter when you breathe in them.

Haha you can cross any Tesla anything off my list. First they need to learn how to build cars whose roofs don't fly off, that have all the suspension bolts installed from the factory and whose panels are not so poorly joined that I can see the mismatch while driving past them. If they can also avoid using zip ties to attach engine components and masking tape that would also be nice

First they need to learn how to build a vehicle. Then once that happens, likely many years down the road, they will likely still not be an option for me. Just thinking of their mentally challenged fanboys is enough to never get close. Maybe what they have is contagious

[manni22gp]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

Agreed. I even see a significant delay in the shift from when the paddle is used. I'm not excited about that at all. The BMW simply sounds like a pure automatic. Such nice paddle shifters, but such a lackluster experience with the transmission.

Here's hoping that Steve simply forgot to put the tranny in its most quick-shifting position (doubtful), and that the delay is reduced when using the most aggressive tranny setting. And I will so miss the DCT blipping of the throttle, the rush of sound to signify a gear change in an aggressive setting.

I'm quite surprised how many reviewers don't complain incessantly about it, especially during spirited or track driving. But I guess all that power and agility makes up for it. Sometimes speed blinds.

Or maybe you're looking for something which isn't there?

Here is a review where the praises of the Alfa are sung super-high by Steve, creating a massive expectation - then soundly thrashed by the M3. I would imagine he would have picked the negatives of the M3 had there been any.

[Scorp!on]

Originally Posted by weinerj100

As a previous E90 and F82 owner and a current Giulia QV owner, I can honestly state that my 2.5 years of Alfa ownership have been more trouble-free than any of my previous BMWs. I've had exactly zero unexpected trips to the dealer with the Alfa and the reliability issues are vastly overblown. I know plenty of other Alfa owners who have had the same experience as I have, so I'm not the only lucky one.

Not taking anything away from BMW as I drove BMW cars for 12 of the previous 15 years before getting the Alfa... And I'm sure a G80 is in my future, but I wouldn't let the perception of reliability issues dissuade a potential buyer from considering a QV...

of course on any brand you can have bad luck and get a, like we say in switzerland, "monday-car" with a lot of issues.

For sure Alfa is much better than in the past regarding reliability.

But there were several things keeping me from buying a QV:

Pro for Alfa:
- price difference may be 20k which is pro alfa (a little unfair as I have a lot of discount on alfa)
- Emotions (i'm a bapedibupi Italian, I have emotions in an Italian car)
- Design, I love the design of the Alfa
- It's a bloody Ferrari Engine!! even though they say no, it is
- Steering. Damn never ever have I had such an awesome steering

now negative:
- Only Auto (MT is mandatory for me, BIG THANK YOU TO BMW!!)
- interior
- included service. In switzerland with BMW we get free service up to 100'000KM and you only pay for liquids (they also change brakes if they are through, for free). Alfa well, only the work hours are paid.
- individual settings for the car. things like engine etc. BMW is much more flexible here
- resale value. Alfa depreciates really really bad ..
- costumer treatment. It's not the Alfa Garage treated me bad, they just didn't give me the feeling to really want to sell me the car and make me feel comfortable. It may sound stupid and I know if you want a car you just want it but it makes a big difference for me if I feel taken serious or not. BMW offered me closed room presentation, exclusive test drive of the new M4 in January (!!!) and so on. This makes a BIG difference imo.

Well but to be fair, Alfa was already out because I wanted a MT. If not the decision would have been harder to be honest.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I am indeed looking forward to AM&S/SA weighing as I find them to be a reliable source. I also recall one of the last F8X they tested, which was fully loaded DCT comp pack at 1,644kg. But they also weighed earlier DCT F8X at 1,615~1,625kg and a 6MT at 1,592kg. So far, we have one owner that weighed his G80C (standard seats and iron brakes) at ~1,746kg when corrected for fuel load, so 1,720kg (without driver) does seem very possible for a G82C with the "track pack".

Originally Posted by manuelf

Maybe I'm too optimistic.
I'll wait for some more G8x weighings. E.g. by sport auto ... Last time they had a F82 on their scales (model year with OPF, CCB and DCT) it was close to 1650kg.
I still have hopes a G82 competition with track pack comes in at sport auto at 1720kg. But yes, maybe we will see 1750kg and then you are right!
Regarding the Alfa - you are fully right. With the ZF8 I saw already tests, where the Alfa was above 1700kg!

Here is an independent review done by Harry's garage ( the guy who started EVO magazine) showing an Alfa QV at 1665kg "at just over 3/4 tank of fuel". With carbon seat option, but steel brakes. [so around 1680kg full fuel, and likely 1690kg with standard seats]

So seemingly about 60kg (132lb) real world lighter than a comparative RWD G80 Comp.

Can't wait until he does a proper weighed G80 review.

Well done Alfa, pretty close to 50:50 balance, 51.7 front.

M2CS was weighed at 1429kg [manual with CCB, 1/2 tank]

M5C with CCB was 1846kg with half tank. I bet the AWD G80 isn't that much lighter than the M5 which is a sorry state of affairs. :

[VIERsr]

M2CS 1429kg? Not on earth, probably somewhere else with less gravity force.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

M2CS 1429kg? Not on earth, probably somewhere else with less gravity force.

Screen shot of the scales of an M2CS

BMW official DIN weight of the M2 Competition 6MT is 1550kg. DIN carries 75kg ballast plus 90% fuel tank over base car weight.

Adding that to the as tested weight brings it to 1429 + 75 + 20 (guessing fuel level to 90%) + 20kg steel brakes = 1544kg. With the CS being lighter than C I don't see a gravity problem.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Here is an independent review done by Harry's garage ( the guy who started EVO magazine) showing an Alfa QV at 1665kg "at just over 3/4 tank of fuel". With carbon seat option, but steel brakes. [so around 1680kg full fuel, and likely 1690kg with standard seats]

So seemingly about 60kg (132lb) real world lighter than a comparative RWD G80 Comp.

Can't wait until he does a proper weighed G80 review.

Well done Alfa, pretty close to 50:50 balance, 51.7 front.

M2CS was weighed at 1429kg [manual with CCB, 1/2 tank]

M5C with CCB was 1846kg with half tank. I bet the AWD G80 isn't that much lighter than the M5 which is a sorry state of affairs. :

I do watch his videos and like his reviews, but always found his scales are a bit optimistic

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Screen shot of the scales of an M2CS

BMW official DIN weight of the M2 Competition 6MT is 1550kg. DIN carries 75kg ballast plus 90% fuel tank over base car weight.

Adding that to the as tested weight brings it to 1429 + 75 + 20 (guessing fuel level to 90%) + 20kg steel brakes = 1544kg. With the CS being lighter than C I don't see a gravity problem.

Something's off. No way an M2cs weighs less than 3,200lb

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Screen shot of the scales of an M2CS

BMW official DIN weight of the M2 Competition 6MT is 1550kg. DIN carries 75kg ballast plus 90% fuel tank over base car weight.

Adding that to the as tested weight brings it to 1429 + 75 + 20 (guessing fuel level to 90%) + 20kg steel brakes = 1544kg. With the CS being lighter than C I don't see a gravity problem.

DIN 1550kg - 45 kgs for fuel and brakes = 1505. That's all. EU weight carries 75 kgs over DIN.
They need to check their scale.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

DIN 1550kg - 45 kgs for fuel and brakes = 1505. That's all. EU weight carries 75 kgs over DIN.
They need to check their scale.

Sorry my mistake, BMW UK use EEC Unladen, which includes the 75kg, no?

[VIERsr]

I don't know the UK specifications, but on the M2CS there isn't any weight saving compared to the M2 Competition.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/11/23/b...2-competition/