[JustChris]

That's a stellar time, bodes well for the new platform. I always felt Sutcliffe hated the F8X series.

[vladberca]

I was not expecting such a good result for the bimmer 😁👍

[SteveChester]

Quite fast the new G series then.

Shame about the weight gain it would be even quicker on a diet

[ShockArrival]

Originally Posted by SteveChester

Quite fast the new G series then.

Shame about the weight gain it would be even quicker on a diet

The proper term is "well fed", thank you!

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by SteveChester

Quite fast the new G series then.

Shame about the weight gain it would be even quicker on a diet

not necessarily. extra bracing adds weight, but stiffer chassis = better and more precise cornering.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by SteveChester

Quite fast the new G series then.

Shame about the weight gain it would be even quicker on a diet

Less hassle calling your woman overweight than mentioning that about G80 on here

[SteveChester]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

not necessarily. extra bracing adds weight, but stiffer chassis = better and more precise cornering.

170kg of extra bracing? Don't think so pal.

[SteveChester]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Less hassle calling your woman overweight than mentioning that about G80 on here

Saying it on a forum isn't quite as risky as saying it to a face

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by jayg80

Are those posted weights correct in the 1st video? My understanding was that maybe the M3 was 100 lbs heavier than the Alfa but not the close to 400 lbs they are describing.

i dont believe they are 'correct'...i think they just compared the weights the manufacturers were providing and just went with the result. Seems like the G80 is being weighed differently than previous cars though so i would think his weight comment is a bit inaccurate. Even when comparing the manufacturers numbers tho something seems hokey...the giulia qf is up in the 3800 lb range i think

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by SteveChester

170kg of extra bracing? Don't think so pal.

No, of course not. It also grew in size. Probably also heavier engine/drivetrain cooling hardware. But it also added some extra bracing.

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

No, of course not. It also grew in size. Probably also heavier engine/drivetrain cooling hardware. But it also added some extra bracing.

Maybe i have a fundamental misconception of the metric system haha but how can the M3 even be 170kg heavier than the Giulia? isnt that almost 400 pounds? car and driver listed the curb weight of the 2021 giulia QF at 3822 lbs. and isnt the M3 listed at 3890 with standard equipment and a driver included? i have a sneaking suspicion if you put those two exact cars he drove on scales theyd weight about the same. ohhh did he say 170kg heavier than the previous M3? i watched the video and i still dont remember lol

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by SteveChester

170kg of extra bracing? Don't think so pal.

this is a curiosity question and not me trying to make a point haha but does anyone know how much heavier the s58 is than the s55? i havent seen any weight totals for the s58 so maybe theyre about the same?

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by jkap27

Maybe i have a fundamental misconception of the metric system haha but how can the M3 even be 170kg heavier than the Giulia? isnt that almost 400 pounds? car and driver listed the curb weight of the 2021 giulia QF at 3822 lbs. and isnt the M3 listed at 3890 with standard equipment and a driver included? i have a sneaking suspicion if you put those two exact cars he drove on scales theyd weight about the same. ohhh did he say 170kg heavier than the previous M3? i watched the video and i still dont remember lol

I believe that G80 added 170 kg compared to F80.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by mirob

Also @ 3:04 the QV appears to have Akra exhaust? Don't know much about the QV but the tips don't look stock.

it's an extra you can add in the UK builder

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

I believe that G80 added 170 kg compared to F80.

watched it again and wow he was talking about M3 vs Giulia. You get 185kg if you subtract the two weights they show you in the specs at the beginning. That is not even remotely close to accurate I dont think lol how does that make it into the video. Unless hes driving some super lightweight version of the giulia? i dont know too much about that car. Ive gotta object to his slightly cheaper comment as well especially if you want a carbon fiber roof and painted calipers lol

[CanuckM]

Great video. Wish it was longer. I always thought Steve Sutcliffe was underrated.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by vladberca

I was not expecting such a good result for the bimmer 😁👍

I think you just minted what will be the theme of this generation.

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

I've added some more videos in the series as comparisons. Thanks for the heads up.

Agree on the comments, Llandow circuit is very tricky for larger RWD chassis cars. Non straight straights and a very tight section.

You are welcome, and very good and informative post on your part

[Wills2]

Sutcliffe is no joke either a very good driver, he did a test in a Honda F1 car in 2008 and was only 4/10ths slower than their own test driver around the Silverstone national circuit.

[cfm56d7b]

The new M3 is a winner and not because of statistics. The entire package works exceedingly well.

[heavyD^2]

Most impressive part of the video outside of the time is when he said if you didn't know the weights of the cars you would think the BMW is the lighter car. As I said before weight is just a number.

[d001]

So it took 4 years for BMW to squeak out a couple of tenths and beat the 2017 QV? Come on....what happened to BMW M, the one that used to lead driving dynamics and everyone else followed? And yes, I own an M3 and several other BMWs