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If I recall correctly this is the 1st time in M3 history the engine is off-the-shelf. An engine fully tested and in production. The transmission and drive-line has been in production quite a while on the M5 as well. This should logically allow for a shorter time to market than prior generations should BMW want.
Personally I don’t think the M3 has been held back to wait for the M4 in the past since it make no business sense. M3 buyers are picky, they want 4 doors and they want M3 track ability, I.e. when the M3 is off the market BMW lose or delay sales which is far worse than to reveal the front of the coupe pre-maturely. I simply believe the M3 weren’t ready before the M4 in the case of the F80 due to all new parts and technology/engineering to be tuned to be M3 worthy in that car ( S55, FI, EPS etc. ). A lot of development and testing required. This time it seems the M3 is close to being ready well in advance of the M4 with test runs on the production line of the complete product happening now. To me it is very strange if we will see a joint launch. Last edited by solstice; 10-29-2019 at 01:57 PM.. |
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Phew! Finally confirmation of what we've already come to learn and just enough obscurity for the grill doubters to resurface.
Personally I don't think the next M3/M4 will get the grills because there won't be a next gen M3/M4. How's that for denial. |
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If it made sense to release the M3 before the M4, then they would simply make the investment to allow for that to that happen. It's not like BMW M is given short notice and caught by surprise with upcoming new models. The idea that something "just wasn't ready" doesn't make sense in context - its one corporate entity who controls the launch of all of their products. They have the resources to release them any time they want depending on what their intelligence about the market tells them will be the most profitable. And finally, don't forget that having the new M3 on the market at the same time the old M4 is still available could present additional challenges. You should absolutely believe that BMW has the ability to quantify that in terms of revenue and factors all of that into their decision making. Quote:
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It'd be nice if they were using this period of time to get a DCT developed for the car. The ZF8 is great, but it doesn't feel like the DCT at all.
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The M6GC I believe was produced to September 2018 while the F90 M5 started production in December 2017 so overlapping a new generation M sedan while an older coupe version of the car is in production has recently been done. So this would not in itself be unprecedented.
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Whatever the reason, it clearly did not become the new normal for all M product launches since two counter examples - the X5/X6 M I already mentioned, and the X3/X4 M as well - have occurred since. |
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literally your best option hope is for them to holdover the current design.... https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/w...-transmission/ https://www.thedrive.com/news/9582/b...-their-way-out Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 10-29-2019 at 03:12 PM.. |
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I suspect that I am in the minority, but I prefer the ZF 8 speed to DCT.
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So the car's ready now, but BMW won't be taking pre-orders until about a year from now. It's sitting out its rookie season.
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Revisiting this thread.
Xdrive + Manual is pretty sweet. I was planning on a RWD/6MT, but 'Big Grilles' could be a perfect winter sled for those of us that hit the mountains or live in a cold climate. |
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I'm hoping they can maybe have the car successfully go on a diet. We really don't need anymore weight increases. While xDrive is cool and all, how heavy will it cause the M3 to be?
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My guess is the leaks was a part of the marketing team strategy, and will be revealed sometime this winter and maybe see some cars at autoshows during December and January. Production this spring 2020 and deliveries in the summer as model year 2021. I guess will
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IMO the ship has sailed for the M3 to be a lightweight car. It’s just too big and luxurious. BMW did a good job with the F8X in this regard but it didn’t come for free. It robbed the car of mechanical feel and cheapened the feel of materials. The car feel more plastic and thin than it’s predecessors and I’m not sure it’s worth it to be honest. If the car can be made agile and athletic with engineering tricks and retain a more substantial mechanical feel I’m cool with that this time around.
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Last three have been on a 7 year cycle in the US, '01 E46, '08 E90/92, '15 F80/82. Starting sales in 1/21 would let them call it a '22. I'm not saying that's a viable reason for the delay, just one factor.
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Late 2020 SOP and early 2021 release would align with pretty much every previous M3 release. I'm not really sure why anyone is surprised by this :
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