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I've had an e46 and two F80s. I moved from an F80 and into the camaro SS when it came out bc everyone was saying how much better of a drivers car it was. They were right: beefy shifter, steering, great balance, loud, powerful with great throttle response and torque ... but it was missing a ton of refinement. traded that out for an Audi S3 to go the other direction on the scale... fun but not nearly sporty enough, borderline snoozefest on track. Added a 718S to complement the S3. I was torn between previous gen cayman GTS and a Boxster 718S sitting on the lot that day. went 718S for new tech and more torque which I enjoyed on the test drive. I tracked it at Sonoma and Laguna Seca where the car was really great, hard to slide because it was so planted. In fact, it's the most planted far I've driven save the 991 Turbo at PECLA. I got rid of it for another SS1LE bc I missed the drama from the V8 manual track weapon that was missing from the 4cyl 718S with PDK. My conclusions: M3 is a fantastic do-everything car that means more towards practicality than driving bliss (when compared to some of the best drivers cars). The meh exhaust & soft shifter were two of my biggest turn offs from the F80. 718S and 991.2 Turbo were amazing on track. The 991.2 Turbo was face melting fast to launch and track but I haven't spent a lot of time on the road, I question if I'll be excited with it on the street? The 718S was like it was on "rails" but day to day it didn't get me too excited. Comfortable and well mannered. Some may be after these things. GT3 PDK: that beautiful engine sound is amazing. very fast with PDK and you know the rest. If I were to buy one I'd be super torn between PDK speed and mis-shift insurance vs the manual. Over the years I've realized that I'm fine with PDK/DCT on track but its BETWEEN THE TRACK DAYS when I'm driving the car that the manual really keeps me engaged. Blipping , slamming gears, etc... ive always been happier with the manuals overall. So what am I going to do? I truthfully don't know. I was searching for GT3(RS) cars nationwide last night to see what's available. I'd love a new 992GT3 at MSRP but that's not gonna happen. The Turbo is still on the table because my two small boys can still squeeze in and go on some short trips. The 718GT4 is another serious contender bc it's much cheaper but still can have a manual and there are a lot of used ones already available even if I couldn't get a brand new one. Alternatively I may still get a G80 for a fun family daily and keep the SS1LE bc it really is a fun/great/quick track car. which also brings in other players like ZL11LE, GT500, Z06... If I keep the camaro, I'll probably also look at M5/M8 leases. so this probably doesn't add a lot of clarity, but maybe a few things to consider lol. If there's one thing I've learned it's that there will never be a perfect car. Good luck on your decision and, please, everyone, also wish me good luck on mine. Haha.
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Huge source of my car questionning, I love my DCT M2 on track but find meh on the street, this spring I think I'm going to force myslef to drive it in manual mode using the shifter to try to help alleviate the feeling.
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It doesn’t help much, it’s the 3rd pedal that make all the difference. I had M-DCT in my E90. Not the same in any way. I liked it but it’s not nearly as engaging.
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I personally disagree. If I have a capable quick shifting DCT (or new 8AT) that doesn't tell me what to do with my shifts, I'm very happy. It also depends on driving environment. Huge hills that are often wet plus stop and go traffic on my commute makes me hate manual. Different strokes am I right?
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At the minimum like the rally cars that can me shifted without pressing the clutch.
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It's just that you don't want the engagement for your DD situation. That's totally fine and glad there are options.
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A manual is more engaging but to me it's just busy. If you like that, great but it's also possible to feel engaged in a flappy paddle setup if the shifts are responsive and it doesn't shift for you unless you want it to. I drive 90% of the time in manual modes. Once I went DCT I won't go back to manual. The new 8AT is good as well and functions better at slow speeds.
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GT3RS is calling my name but will have to get some seat time before I decide. Maybe I'll do an M3 manual to keep a stick in the household? I just love them but yeah.. some people like a dull paint and some people want the brightest color imaginable. Some are surgeons, some are accountants. Good to have a mix!
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On the upside, this also means there's a good chance the 991.2 GT3 MT market might open up a bit once the 992 hits the street. GT cars tend to go through very incremental/evolutionary update cycles, so you really won't be giving up much by going a gen earlier. And, as you mentioned, the 718 GT4s are already readily available. I ended up opting for a GT4 because the 991+ felt a little too big in general, and I couldn't find a suitable 991.2 MT. The GT4 is more of a classic dual-purpose track/street purist sports car and the price is very reasonable by Porsche standards. Would love to add a 997.2 GT3 to the mix at some point, but I'm in no rush.
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I'm also planning on getting a new car this spring/summer after more than 5 years with the F80.
There are not too many alternatives that I really like and that suit me. Basically, the only options I'm considering right now are the G80 or the 992 (Carrera S or 4S). I've always appreciated Porsche but was never really a Porsche guy and had never specifically looked into buying one. What is currently holding me back at least a little (apart from the higher price of course, though the price of a new G80 here in Switzerland is also very high): - It's basically a 2-seater (it would be my only car, but I don't have kids) - Luggage space is significantly smaller - I would miss the iDrive, the Porsche system is rather average in comparison and reduced only to touchscreen operation, which I do not like - The interior of the 992 is okay and of high quality, but maybe a bit "boring", the interior of the G80 on the other hand looks really good IMO and is a big step forward compared to the predecessor On the other hand, the driving experience, the steering, the rear engine experience, the design, etc. are really tempting me. Regarding the G80, there are several things I don't like. It's not even the grille, but rather things like the higher weight, but also those stupid black side skirts (and on the sides of the front bumper), the Fast and the Furious rear diffuser, only dark wheels options, etc. All of that looks so aftermarket and kinda cheap to me. Although it could be a good looking car. I'm leaning towards the 992, but won't be an easy decision. |
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New 992 GT3, used 901.2 GT3, new/used 718 GT4 is my current priority list. We'll see how it unfolds... thanks for the input!
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The GT4 is a great car, but comparing everything like practicality, interior, entertainment and so on, the M4C catched my attention more for the same amount of money my config would have been for both cars. And I do like both worlds, good driving and still some nice tech / luxury, and in terms of the later, P is way behind BMW. Also in terms of modding the cars, P is very intolerant in terms of warranty if something pops up even if you only changed the wheels to not OEM. But in the end, it really depends on what you really want and where you put your priorities. Both have their pros and cons, and in the end the decision comes when you answer yourself what matters more to you. |
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But then again, I had the last 3 generations of the M3 and while I loved all of them a Porsche would definitely be an appealing change, plus I really like the 992 overall. |
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But I also fully understand your temptation if you like the 992 overall and after 3 Ms For me if a 992, then a GT one as 2nd car, but here were talking different price range |
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I do love everything about our Cayenne (except anything needing a dealer visit) for what it is and a test drive of the 992 was bliss. I like what I see with the G8X but in many ways it’s similar to the F80 so I’m leaning towards the 992. Adding another ulcer inducing P-car dealer visit reason is the main reason I have doubts. |
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