[Miko M]

Bmw will make whatever customers want.
Some people live in Arizona and don't give a dame about AWD
Some live in Canada and would definitely bye AWD
Whatever customer demand is
Mercedes AMG took a big sale gain on AWD

[Fugly M3]

I think the idea of an AWD 6MT M4 coupe is amazing...but I understand the comments by those who lament the loss of pure RWD platforms.

I hear all you guys. The blank stares I get when I tell people why "I can't" drive most cars because they aren't RWD are hysterical. Fact is most people out there driving these days didn't learn that sideways in a big American muscle car could be fun. To the contrary, most learned how to drive in dad's Honda commuter or mom's FWD Taurus wagon or Chrysler T&C. The lucky ones learned in an SUV. These folks don't feel oversteer and go , they feel oversteer and go . Even the ones driving M cars. BMW is happy to oblige and offer AWD.

If we should be upset about anything, I think it's the switch from the DCT to the ZF8. If Porsche can keep developing PDKs...BMW should keep on with their DCT. Anyway, let's let BMW make both AWD and RWD iterations. We can then drive and compare and, of course, judge them by the only thing that ever mattered in the history of anything automobile...their Nurburgring times.

[Miko M]

I have a solution for this RWD vs AWD war

BMW build M3 RWD only wit option 6MT/Auto.

And separate M3 with AWD only with 6MT/Auto.

Like they do M5 separate from M5CP build

Problem solved for everybody

[________]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I have a solution for this RWD vs AWD war

BMW build M3 RWD only wit option 6MT/Auto.

And separate M3 with AWD only with 6MT/Auto.

Like they do M5 separate from M5CP build

Problem solved for everybody

10 pages in and you come up with the thinking of the original post. So maybe now we can have another 10 pages of discussion so another person can come up with this again?

C'mon...

[Miko M]

Originally Posted by OnerDriver

10 pages in and you come up with the thinking of the original post. So maybe now we can have another 10 pages of discussion so another person can come up with this again?

C'mon...

I must missed something here
Mine understanding was that people don't want to have AWD car where you can turn off to be RWD and still have the extra weight off AWD system.
But if you can buy to be RWD platform only, who really cares if someone buys one with AWD ?

[________]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I must missed something here
Mine understanding was that people don't want to have AWD car where you can turn off to be RWD and still have the extra weight off AWD system.
But if you can buy to be RWD platform only, who really cares if someone buys one with AWD ?

You missed the original post. The first post of this thread contains your premise.......

[Miko M]

Originally Posted by OnerDriver

You missed the original post. The first post of this thread contains your premise.......

Lol, mine bad.
I have read something about AWD where you can turn off to be RWD and got all sidetracked. Lol

[Bowser330]

It will be great to see the comparisons between the awd and rwd g80 m3. Drag times and Track times both.

My prediction is if the awd is anything like the m-xdrive in the f90 m5, the awd g80 will take both crowns. And you can still drift the optional awd car and hoon just as much as rwd. Win win win.

[M2Cmtl]

The first few posts seems to suggest it will be xdrive. Do we know if it will be mxdrive or xdrive? 6MT Mxdrive M3 would be perfect (well a Touring would be better...).

[evo-mike]

Of my three cars, one is a manual and I love the control of having a clutch. So I get the purists want to change their own. But I also drive to work 5 days a week on all surface streets, no freeways and I occasionally do eat in the car while driving so I also like having an auto/smg.

If I were buying the car to replace my baby in the garage that only gets out for the random weekend sprint on a sunny day or whatever, I would choose a manual. If it was to be my daily driver, I would want auto/smg. If I was looking for an autocross/track car it would absolutely have an smg. I don't care how good your "skills" are, you will never grab gears as quick.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by trey100

Go to the drag strip and see how those cars jump off the line. Last time I was there, a 911 turbo ran 10.6 against a ZL1 that ran in the 13's. Both on street tires. And that's not rare. I know on forums everyone is a pro driver with "skills". Even a 335 x-drive with a JB was running mid-12's. You may not care about straight line performance and that's fine.

I have an F80 manual - why do people get DCT's? Same difference.

And if you are buying these cars to go drag racing I'm sorry there are 8 second shit boxes that will ruin you LOL

add one turn and the 911 turbo is toasted.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by trey100

Go to the drag strip and see how those cars jump off the line. Last time I was there, a 911 turbo ran 10.6 against a ZL1 that ran in the 13's. Both on street tires. And that's not rare. I know on forums everyone is a pro driver with "skills". Even a 335 x-drive with a JB was running mid-12's. You may not care about straight line performance and that's fine.

I have an F80 manual - why do people get DCT's? Same difference.

This is way more fun than a drag strip. Plus a 911 turbo (or any modern car) takes no skill to go fast at a strip. Hold brake press throttle wait for green light and hold on as the computer does everything. Haha

[________]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

This is way more fun than a drag strip. Plus a 911 turbo (or any modern car) takes no skill to go fast at a strip. Hold brake press throttle wait for green light and hold on as the computer does everything. Haha

It looks like you need some AWD in your life man... cannot keep the car straight and had to be told to follow track rules for everyone's safety...

Plus, very pointless, maybe put into words how AWD would make your life worse... I mean, not you, it's clear you need it, but for us, how would RWD make a car better being 150 lbs lighter?

I'm not holding my breath on that one

[ciomas]

Originally Posted by OnerDriver

If the X-Drive is the same as in the M5, and comes with manual as well, very few would choose a RWD as the xdrive is faster and can still be RWD...

But heavy..

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

great news. Don't hesitate to drop a post like this in the M2 forums sometime about M2 " further progress.. " some day..

interesting to see that the X drive option in the M3/M4 will be just that.. an option.. like pretty much the rest of the entire BMW lineup.

This part cannot be emphasized enough.

in the new format.. BMW is trying to keep up with the Mullers... so having multiple trim levels from the jump makes sense.

Porsche has base, S, GTS, GT3, GT3RS, etc.. BMW will have base, COMP, CS, and CSL

BMW sees their M trims as
M340i
M3
M3 competition
M3 CS
M3 CSL/GTS

Which doesn't really line up with Porsche but
Carrera
Carrera S
GTS
GT3
GT2

But Carreras base is about like an M340i in terms of sporty ness and the S adds the M style track trim. The GTS though is really THE definitive track car I guess like Competition now, sadly.

GT3 and GT2 don't really have a BMW equivalent right now as BMW doesn't really do more power just less weight as you advance into the CS and CSL trims.

I don't like the whole 5 M car philosophy but I'm not running the business so whatever.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by OnerDriver

10 pages in and you come up with the thinking of the original post. So maybe now we can have another 10 pages of discussion so another person can come up with this again?

C'mon...

I died.

[ra2289]

Originally Posted by pheerIx

If MT truly dies and lease rates continue to rise, I'm gonna look at AMGs. If I'm gonna be bored driving might as well listen to a V8 soundtrack.

I've had similar feelings but for slightly different reasons. I had to drop the manual tranny years ago since my wife never felt comfortable driving mine. But even if they offer a manual it seems like the G80 will lose the DCT. If that's the case I'll definitely cross shop with the Merc., assuming it keeps the V8.

Also hope the new M3 keeps the aggressive rear flares as I will definitely look at the Merc. if not.

[goj]

Originally Posted by ASAP

if the can use more cf and integrate the awd whilst keeping it at 3600 lbs or under; thats optimal... also remember an auto box is by all accounts lighter than the DCT... it can all be done

But at that point the rwd would still be at least 150lbs lighter

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by goj

But at that point the rwd would still be at least 150lbs lighter

You're not getting an M3 lighter than current especially considering the new car is larger...

[04cobra]

I'm happy with my AWD Trackhawk shitting on everything at the stop light. My M3 I cant say the same, I could not hold traction, didn't matter how hot the tires were, the car just spun, and I have years of high HP RWD experience. Yes I was on the stock tires, yes I know DRs would have made it better, but I am tired of sacrificing driveability (and safety in the wet) for traction. I have a nice video of me launching my Trackhawk in the rain on all season tires running a 3.8 0-60.

I will go with an AWD car every time, unless I just plan to store it in spring, fall and winter, like i've done with my past vehicles.

I am just happy BMW is giving us OPTIONS now.

[Big boi m5]

Personally I'm a bit torn. The RWD weighs less and is less complex. I use winter tires so I do t really worry about the winter handling aspect.

For me the AWD is appealing because it's much easier to handle at the track. I've seen many RWD 500hp+ cars spin or crash.

I'm personally not a race car driver so the awd would be more of an insurance/safety bonus.

I mostly agree with BMW on the AWD M5. 600 hp to 2 wheels is INDYCAR levels of power but no aero to help out.

I'd feel much more confident in the AWD M3

[KevinM]

Manual transmission with MxDrive. Come on, M, do it!!