[________]

Originally Posted by SleepingBMW

Personally I'm a bit torn. The RWD weighs less and is less complex. I use winter tires so I do t really worry about the winter handling aspect.

For me the AWD is appealing because it's much easier to handle at the track. I've seen many RWD 500hp+ cars spin or crash.

I'm personally not a race car driver so the awd would be more of an insurance/safety bonus.

I mostly agree with BMW on the AWD M5. 600 hp to 2 wheels is INDYCAR levels of power but no aero to help out.

I'd feel much more confident in the AWD M3

[Advevo]

I have a driven a ZF8 gearbox on a race car. It s to slow if you compare it to a dct gearbox. DCT is much more fun in driving and gives still a manual shift feeling.

Zf8 or DCT —-> DCT no question

If i only have a choice ZF8 or Manual ——> Manual no question

DCT or Manual. Love both

AWD no not in an M3.

AWd is nice in a rallybred hothatch with nice mechanical diffs.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Advevo

I have a driven a ZF8 gearbox on a race car. It s to slow if you compare it to a dct gearbox. DCT is much more fun in driving and gives still a manual shift feeling.

Zf8 or DCT —-> DCT no question

If i only have a choice ZF8 or Manual ——> Manual no question

DCT or Manual. Love both

AWD no not in an M3.

AWd is nice in a rallybred hothatch with nice mechanical diffs.

Agreed - if there’s no DCT in the next gen, I’m going to look elsewhere.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Agreed - if there’s no DCT in the next gen, I’m going to look elsewhere.

Then you need to start looking, DCT is done chief

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Then you need to start looking, DCT is done chief

I know that’s the expected result...disappointing for sure.

Originally Posted by pheerIx

Who would've thought DCT purists were the ones left out to dry

I’m not claiming to be a DCT purist. Rather I like the feel and experience associated with a double clutch gearbox (PDK was even better).

Too many manuals in my past to list, and just isn’t interesting to me anymore...fun in short bursts for sure, but no desire to drive in Chicago traffic with a manual.

[kyrix1st]

No need for AWD. Fastest E92/F82s around Suzuka run in 6MT and 295 width square tires and have excellent traction.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by OnerDriver

It looks like you need some AWD in your life man... cannot keep the car straight and had to be told to follow track rules for everyone's safety...

Plus, very pointless, maybe put into words how AWD would make your life worse... I mean, not you, it's clear you need it, but for us, how would RWD make a car better being 150 lbs lighter?

I'm not holding my breath on that one

Goes back to my point of bmw knowing it's main customer base/type for m cars now.

Lot of us get black flagged

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Or they actually want to show results in all instances of racing and not be embarrasses.

M cars have always lost the straight line race but destroys the competition in the twisties and a road course. Every single time.

But even the new m5 still loses in drag races with awd doesn't it? Lol

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

M cars have always lost the straight line race but destroys the competition in the twisties and a road course. Every single time.

But even the new m5 still loses in drag races with awd doesn't it? Lol

I've barely seen the M5 lose if at all in real life and on videos...

[StealYourFace]

Originally Posted by pheerIx

All wheel drive is meaningless in the rain, and in the snow it only helps accelerate from a stop easier. Doesn't make a car stop or steer.

Many moons ago I bought a 2 year old bug eye WRX wagon. It was early spring, the car was on half used up all Toyo Proxies and we got a late snow. Make no mistake in an empty parking lot it was a fun donut machine, but I almost stuffed a curb trying to get the car stopped.

By the time winter rolled around I bought a set of Firerstone snows and mounted them on the original 16s, the car was much more sane to drive in the snow, you know being able to turn and stop.

Fast forward to my 330i (still have it). Rear wheel drive and never a bit of trouble in the snow, I've tried a couple different brands of tire, theyre all good. Mine has a limied slip diff, that may have helped a little in getting rollling, or it may have just slowed rear brake pad wear.

We get legit snow in Buffalo. Some years. I can't see adding weight and additional maintenance to a car because it might snow 50 days a year.

[goj]

Originally Posted by ASAP

You're not getting an M3 lighter than current especially considering the new car is larger...

Not what I am saying.....

You're missing the context. The G8x would be about 150lbs lighter with RWD than a G8x with AWD

[Encanto]

Seems to me that BMW will end up making the G80 M3 to look like a small M5 -wide fenders on the front only. I have no concerns about the expected performance of the G80 M3, regardless of RWD or AWD. But this is not the M3 to go back to the E36 M3 bodykit after seeing the nondescript G20 3-Series styling. Styling brutality is essential in any M3 or no sale.

[The Choosey begger]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

M cars have always lost the straight line race but destroys the competition in the twisties and a road course. Every single time.

But even the new m5 still loses in drag races with awd doesn't it? Lol

In the Twisties Evos/STI's destroy M3's.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by anglo

In the Twisties Evos/STI's destroy M3's.

not really - I've had both. If you're talking in the dirt, of course

[The Choosey begger]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

not really - I've had both. If you're talking in the dirt, of course

I'm talking autocross, road race!

In ASP or STU RWD M cars cant compete against awd cars!
This year the top 5 cars were Evos in ASP, last year top 3 cars were Evos.

[The Choosey begger]

Originally Posted by pheerIx

In the being a car you'd want to be seen in as a functional adult the M3 destroys Evos/STI.
Also where can I buy a new Evo.

We're talking about the awd technology!
Yes, they should offer it like Porsche offers the 911 4 ...i'll get the awd M4 and you can get the RWD M, win, win!

[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by ASAP

You're not getting an M3 lighter than current especially considering the new car is larger...

All 3 series including the M3 will lose >100 lbs comparably equipped. More aluminum and high strength steels are used. The E90 was actually the heaviest 3 series. The F30 was a bit lighter and the G20 will be lighter still. Same deal with the E90>F80>G80.

[MParallel]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

That's to hide their identity so they won't get kidnapped and leak the true information about how the G80 will be released...

That makes sense. Never thought of that.

Thank you sir.

[Graves]

Am I the only one that doesn't want the new M3 and absolutely loves their F80???

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by Graves

Am I the only one that doesn't want the new M3 and absolutely loves their F80???

I don't know, maybe cause you just got yours?

[________]

Originally Posted by Graves

Am I the only one that doesn't want the new M3 and absolutely loves their F80???

Yes

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by Encanto

Seems to me that BMW will end up making the G80 M3 to look like a small M5 -wide fenders on the front only. I have no concerns about the expected performance of the G80 M3, regardless of RWD or AWD. But this is not the M3 to go back to the E36 M3 bodykit after seeing the nondescript G20 3-Series styling. Styling brutality is essential in any M3 or no sale.

I hope not. I'm hoping the test mules are not donning the soon to be added wide rear fenders.