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09-13-2023, 12:15 PM | #93 | |
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While BMW has its reasons for not joining Tesla’s charging standard and charging infrastructure, I just hope BMW doesn’t deliver a sub-par charging experience like the other companies do at the moment. Say what you will about Tesla, their charging network is fairly dependable. |
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Precisely. As an M guy dating back to the E36/E39 generation, I can tell you that an electric M car will be the sign I need to simply keep my money in my pocket and take it elsewhere. BMW might want to be careful about their next move. I, like many others out there, have purchased millions of dollars worth of BMW’s since I started driving 30 years ago and I only do that because the cars speak to me. Electric cars do NOT speak to me so I won’t buy them. Now, if the plan is to have a ICE version and an electric version, that is perfect as each person can pick what he/she wants.
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No matter what you believe, I'm pretty sure putting a bunch of exhaust gas in the air everyday and creating air and noise pollution isn't the best thing to do for living things on this planet especially when you have a solid alternative. A few decades from now, people will look back and will find it unbelievable and fascinating that we are all inhaling exhaust gas all the time and we are totally okay with it... Kinda like how we look back at times when roads were covered with horse sh*t, or when lead coming from cars' exhausts contaminated everything on the planet.
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I think BMW is taking this electrification move cautiously. While they know they can’t satisfy everyone and will probably lose some of their existing audience, I’m sure their market analysis will help guide them forward. BMW probably makes more off their mainstream product lines then they do with just their M lineup. Now with adding M Performance to almost all lineups, they can capitalize on the M brand and generate higher margins and attract newer, younger clientele. Just my random thoughts anyway. |
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The same enthusiasts who prefer slower manual transmissions. The same enthusiasts who prefer slower RWD models to AWD models. The same enthusiasts who prefer slower natural aspiration to turbo-charged engines. It's not always about pure speed, sometimes it's about the experience. But for those simply chasing the fastest 0 to 60 times, the coming EVs will certainly quench that thirst. |
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I made a trip to Kansas City a few weeks ago on an couple odd errands -- something like 800 miles total roundtrip of driving over a 48 hour period, and I had to make a quick stop at a Target in the burbs. In the back of the parking lot, there was a half dozen or so people with their EVs out in a hot asphalt parking lot waiting for their cars to charge, looking down at their phones sweating it out, in 90F+ heat and a couple more waiting nearby for one of the charging stations to open up. When I can fill up my tank in 2 minutes and get on my way and be home in time for dinner instead of waiting for 30 minutes+ in the sun every 200-300 miles (which is about the range good EVs can get you when you drive in hot weather and at high speeds), I don't regret my decision to buy an ICE. I need a car that can serve my needs through the year, not one that 'works just fine on 90% of my trips but is a total p.i.t.a. the other 10% of the time' (google maps image here of the exact spot) https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0495...8192?entry=ttu |
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So it’s just a Tesla plaid now…
I wouldn’t be as disappointed if they had an electric only chassis, or found a way to keep it at 4000-4200 lbs but this thing will probably be 5000 lbs All electric cars are the same, no soul Guess my G80 will be my last BMW (already went outside brand with family SUV and roadster), I used to be a big fanboy since my teens. |
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But there's always the used car market. Many will be surfing used car ads a decade from now for ICE vehicles, and the figures may be astronomical for a while. |
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Ultimately, I think the US (especially) needs to focus on better urban planning so that over time we need fewer individual cars overall, and with cars, focus more on mileage efficiencies for ICEs and overall weights and sizes for safety reasons (most cars and trucks, especially EVS, are way too effing big), than forcing EV infrastructure to be built and letting cars grow to the size and weights of tanks. |
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The quad motor M3 will finally bring proper torque vectoring to the platform. There is no doubt that torque vectoring is one of the topics M engineers explored before selected a quad motor configuration. As the vehicle turns into a corner, the inside wheel and the outside wheel are rotating at the same rate. With torque vectoring, the outside wheel can get more power, pushing the car into a sharper, tighter turn. Torque vectoring in the current ICE and non-quad motor platforms is a compromise. Compromise 1: an approach using brakes, where the rotation of the inside wheel is slightly reduced by applying the brakes to one side of the vehicle but not the other. While effective in shifting torque to the outside wheel, this approach reduces power. Compromise 2: a more effective approach using a torque vectoring differential. It reduces torque to the inside wheel while increasing torque to the outside wheel. No power is wasted. No compromises: With a quad motor EV platform, there are more possibilities to improve power delivery and more responsive torque vectoring. Since each motor at each wheel is electronically controlled, the torque adjustments can be made faster and also provide an extra layer of safety when the vehicle loses traction. Quad motor M3 (with synthetically generated, licensed Akrapovic acoustics inside) may very well establish a new Nürburgring record. Last edited by cfm56d7b; 09-13-2023 at 01:12 PM.. |
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The portability of gas isn't completely advantageous over electricity. Once the initial cost of constructing electric infrastructure are hurtled, the cost of sending electricity via lines is faster and cheaper than trucking and shipping fuel. Also the environmental impact of oil pipelines are arguably higher risk than power lines. Solar, wind, hydro, and nuclear power can also make energy supply less geographically dependent as areas that depend on oil imports have an alternative local resource for energy. While I agree that gas is super convenient outside the city, that's because we have spent the last century and a half getting better and better at making refined fossil fuels work for us. Compared to the pace of establishing a network of fueling stations, charging stations are doing quite well in their expansion. I can't imagine we won't be able to quick charge a stranded vehicle with a portable battery pack enough to get them to the next fueling station, the electrical equivalent of the red gas can. Alternatively, instead of charging the on-board battery, my idea is a industry standard auxiliary input, perhaps in the trunk or frunk. A service/rescue vehicle would bring a suitcase sized charged solid state battery with its own safety fail safes that plugs into a port and lets you drive 100 miles or so. Then, much like we do with a butane tank, you leave it at the fueling station for them to charge for the next customer.
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Yes, all these early EVs are heavy as hell, but imagine once you can create all this electric power and the batteries way half as much as they do now? Or 1/4 as much as weight? It's coming. EVs and battery technology are in their infancy as a mass market idea. Way more R&D is being spent to figure this out, so expect rapid advancements over the next decade...so by the 3rd and 4th gen EVs, the numbers will be astonishing - 0 to 60 in 1.5 seconds, with a 500-mile range, and rapid charging from Empty to Full in 30 minutes!...with a lateral g of 1.3. Oh, and it seats 5 people comfortably Then people buying those cars will laugh at our old ICE vehicles, which will have less performance and will be less efficient (and will have antiquated interior technology)...just like we wonder why those old guys in their '67 Cadillacs still like their antiquated tanks that get 11 mpg with an originally-sourced AM radio in the dash. |
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