[Game]

Originally Posted by Spielkind79

Maybe I'm the only one, but I like the G80 much more than the G82 and with a dark color (in my car davit) it looks just great, for me. I will take the small rims, black exhaust, RWD, ZF8 and 290 kmh package and will be the most happy family car driver in the world. To kick that thing on the Autobahn will make my day ones a week when I drive it there. The hips, the front, the back, the carbon roof - I like it.

I think that's actually the consensus around here. (including myself)

[BimmerFix]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Agree. The car is menacing looking. With a little bit of a drop and maybe spacers it'll look even better. I waited for the lci version for the f80 to finally pull the trigger and I still love my f80. So I think I'll do the same here, wait a year or two for the lci.

I'm with you on that timeline. Well sorta

G80 LCI starts production July 2022.

& my lease is up in August that year.

So perfect timing to order a new build, and take delivery.

Just not sure yet if I want the M3 or M4. No kid's yet just the fiancee.

My mind is telling me get the 4-door . It's baby proof . But my heart is telling me get the coupe

Absolutely love the rear taillights on the 4. Not so much on the 3 series. Hopefully LCI addresses that issue.

I mean history has shown us, BMW almost always upgrades headlights and/or taillights for LCI .

But the M3 rear wheel arches are just to die for. Another thing swaying my decision

[amrh]

What's the color of the M3 in the Carfection video review? Oxide?

[Darth One]

Wonder if any of these reviewers commented on G8x power vs F82 GTS? Almost the same hp and almost 10% gain in torque

[naywa01]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Agreed! I can't wait to see the track based comparisons. Joe Achilles got a 3.7 in his 0-60 test in cold weather.

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Agreed! I can't wait to see the track based comparisons. Joe Achilles got a 3.7 in his 0-60 test in cold weather.

Check out the Mat Watson review on the Carwow YT channel. He gets a 3.6 0-60 and an 11.6 (from memory) 1/4 mile in the SPY M4 Comp

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by keanu1

So, bottom line, M3/4 is brilliant But alfa is better

yeah, if you want to spend half your life in the workshop fixing stuff that shouldn't need fixing

[Bloot]

Originally Posted by amrh

What's the color of the M3 in the Carfection video review? Oxide?

It looked like Brooklyn Grey to me but not 100% sure.

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by Bloot

It looked like Brooklyn Grey to me but not 100% sure.

100% not Brooklyn
Looks like oxide.

[simpelton]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

There's a lot of confirmation bias going on here as those who were positive on the car before mostly heard the positive spins, while those who had reservations or didn't like it, heard the other side.

My take is consistent with your view that CH, as a journalist, tried to point out the pros and cons, trying to be as fair as possible, knowing reviews are inherently subjective. And the biggest subjective from CH that I heard is that the car was not as fun to drive. This brings me back to the old days whenever C&D and other reviewers did a comparison test and the Benz or Audi ticked enough boxes to win on paper but, despite that, they pick the BMW because of the "fun factor." Those days are gone.

And finally, I absolutely agree that if you read between the lines and look at his muted reaction compared to other reviews where CH really liked the car, that he did not think highly of the G8x. Indeed, I am reminded of his review of the F80 when it first came out and his reaction was like that of a giddy kid on Christmas morning repeating superlatives like "This is spectacular, I think" or "It moves the game massively from the last car [E9x M3]" or "It's just stupendous!" or "Wow, wow, wow!" - and you know when he reeealy likes a car and when he's, like, meh.

Here was CH's F80 review. And this was the base F80, not CP or CS modesls. You can easily tell he's a lot less excited driving the G80.

Bingo!! Nail has been hit on its head.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by naywa01

Check out the Mat Watson review on the Carwow YT channel. He gets a 3.6 0-60 and an 11.6 (from memory) 1/4 mile in the SPY M4 Comp

Just on an arbitrary standard back road. That isn’t bad. And he really likes it...his conclusion:
Just go out and buy it, cause it’s mofo bad@ss!

That guy drives a helluva lot of cars so when something stands out to that degree it’s a good sign.

[AlexFL]

Very nice review for an average Joe!

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by amrh

What's the color of the M3 in the Carfection video review? Oxide?

Yes, most definitely. It's not Brooklyn nor Skyscraper.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by m630

This is the reality that some cannot accept. The M3 is now the M5 of old days, and its a different demo. When I was younger, while I luved the E39 M5, I desired an M3, i wanted something small and fun and thats what an M3 was and never would consider a car the M5 size.

Now, its a big luxury cruiser with lots and lots of power, nothing wrong with that statement, its just not an M3.

Im at a diff point of life and I see this G80 as a big comfy powerful car and have to decide if its worth it. The things that some or perhaps many didnt like about the F80, i luved. I luved the raw feel, i luved dct and the way it felt special down low, its supposed to be a sports saloon and it should not be so comfy like a zf8.

The biggest statement from CH was that the engine and transmission didnt feel M special, which ofcourse is true but some cannot accept. Stating the powertrain feels like a more powerful m340i is a massive fail as to me, since i dont track it, the M is all about the powertrain, and it no longer is bespoke but the M tax is higher than ever.

The S58 is equally as bespoke as the S55.

[Dinh335]

I miss the good old days before the driving reviews were out and we just argued about the grill

[Habber]

I think the appeal of this car is the stripper setup. Excellent bang for the buck.

Once the options get triggered...the grille starts to look bigger to me...

[zamboni]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

There's a lot of confirmation bias going on here as those who were positive on the car before mostly heard the positive spins, while those who had reservations or didn't like it, heard the other side.

My take is consistent with your view that CH, as a journalist, tried to point out the pros and cons, trying to be as fair as possible, knowing reviews are inherently subjective. And the biggest subjective from CH that I heard is that the car was not as fun to drive. This brings me back to the old days whenever C&D and other reviewers did a comparison test and the Benz or Audi ticked enough boxes to win on paper but, despite that, they pick the BMW because of the "fun factor." Those days are gone.

And finally, I absolutely agree that if you read between the lines and look at his muted reaction compared to other reviews where CH really liked the car, that he did not think highly of the G8x. Indeed, I am reminded of his review of the F80 when it first came out and his reaction was like that of a giddy kid on Christmas morning repeating superlatives like "This is spectacular, I think" or "It moves the game massively from the last car [E9x M3]" or "It's just stupendous!" or "Wow, wow, wow!" - and you know when he reeealy likes a car and when he's, like, meh.

Here was CH's F80 review. And this was the base F80, not CP or CS modesls. You can easily tell he's a lot less excited driving the G80.

The engine was a master piece.

[antzcrashing]

I feel that the Chris Harris review seems fair, he slams it on looks (subjective), and gives kudos for steering, fun factor, brakes, throttle (turbo) responsiveness. He pans the shift delays in the automatic. It's definitely a car worth test driving if you like the exterior design.

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by Ikester19

Whilst looks are subjective I think the proportions of the G80 look good. Based on the various reviews the consensus is it's hands down better than the F80 in every way apart from its weight. It's going to be a big hit and it will sell well no doubt.
The G82 on the other hand just doesn't look appealing to me, as pointed out in the Throttle House review its not the front end, it's the entire exterior design that looks out of whack. No doubt it's a great performance car but TBH I cannot think of an uglier BMW made coupe... ever.

Like you, I'm hanging out for the G87 M2, and based on the mules we've seen so far and the updated interior we see in the G80/82 I think it will be a winner.

Originally Posted by Ikester19

Whilst looks are subjective I think the proportions of the G80 look good. Based on the various reviews the consensus is it's hands down better than the F80 in every way apart from its weight.

Not as good in weight, price higher, speed is on par, looks many agree not as good, and ZF8 not as good as DCT for non manual driver's. These are pretty fundamental evaluation criteria for an emotional purchase. BMW clearly betting that non BMW converts and new buyers will offset any loss of repeat buyers for whom these criteria dominate. I suspect they'll be proven right.

[Mtxzptlk]

Is it just me or does the color really affect the way the looks of the G80/82 can be perceived.

M3/M4 with black wheels in Portimao Blue actually looks good.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Jimjamz

ZF8 not as good as DCT for non manual driver's.

That’s not the overall impression I get from the reviews. It sounds more like the ZF8 is as fast and better around town than the DCT but lack the drama of the DCT. One reviewer said that he’ll take the ZF over the DCT but not over the newest PDK. I guess that’s will be my take but I’m not a DCT die hard. It’s an automatic to me and if it’s snappy enough I’m good.

In the end I think current DCT lovers will miss it just as I really missed the S65 over the faster S55 due to lack of drama and character but time move on and things change. If the overall package is the big improvement every reviewer seem to think it is even the DCT fans should be ok.

[bm323]

Originally Posted by Jimjamz

Not as good in weight, price higher, speed is on par, looks many agree not as good, and ZF8 not as good as DCT for non manual driver's. These are pretty fundamental evaluation criteria for an emotional purchase. BMW clearly betting that non BMW converts and new buyers will offset any loss of repeat buyers for whom these criteria dominate. I suspect they'll be proven right.

From my recollection of the reviews, the ZF8 is clearly not as good as DCT. But there doesn't appear to exist a better choice for a 4 door 5 seater car.

[PeregrineFalcon]