[solstice]

Originally Posted by PeregrineFalcon

Looks so good and aggressive. Another happy reviewer

[zamboni]

Review from Edmund's

[scoale]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Whether you agree BMW went too far or not it's probably the right course to differentiate the styling of the M2 and M3/M4 as BMW appears to be doing with the new models. They will already share the same DNA with drivetrains and the corporate interior so making them appear markedly different may grow the overall appeal of the M brand.

Precisely. BMW didn't need to build two M2s.

[bm323]

Originally Posted by PeregrineFalcon

very negative with the ZF transmission at 7:50 but very happy with the other aspects of the car, handling etc

[Teutonic]

So, as per Harrison’s comment, the car is literally what we all knew along: smart car dressed as a beggar...

Hats of to engineering!

.... and the Golden Raspberry Award goes to... “Damage” Dukec and his boss Van Hooydonk!

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by simpelton

Bingo!! Nail has been hit on its head.

Not really...Chris harris comparing the f80 with its predecessor and the G80 with its predecessor is pretty apples and oranges. Moving to twin turbo was an absolutely massive leap in performance as it should be. It's honestly kind of incredible to me the steering and grip improved as much in the G80 as the very same Chris Harris describes in his review. They were very close to the limits of what a front engine rwd setup could do capability wise and they still made pretty striking improvements it sounds like. No doubt he prefers the F80 looks wise though lol I dont think anyone can argue that

[Top speed]

Even the standard Carrera is a really quick car. Amazing how easily the M4 reels it in.

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

So, as per Harrison’s comment, the car is literally what we all knew along: smart car dressed as a beggar...

Hats of to engineering!

.... and the Golden Raspberry Award goes to... “Damage” Dukec and his boss Van Hooydonk!

I think they were shooting for something unique that got people talking and aligned with the styling of their i4 car (no such thing as bad press as they say) and they accomplished that goal. I'd assume the f80 owners that are not into the G80 look will more than likely be holding onto their f80s a little longer until they purchase some other M car whether it be a 2 or a 5...I just don't see those people switching to the likes of the 4 cylinder c63 or the infamously understeering audi rs5 but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong lol theyre probably gonna see more sales from the folks that are looking for a more aggressive looking sedan and retain almost all of their own buyers that aren't interested in the G8X anyway. As someone relatively new to the bmw game since I finally have money saved for once 😁 my general feeling is being tired of the audis and the teslas and the mercedes where every model looks more or less the same...not to mention 911s have looked very similar for decades. It was a bold divisive decision but I think it differentiates the car well. It doesn't have that traditional elegance but it looks mean and athletic and it's really the only car in bmws lineup like that.

[simpelton]

Originally Posted by jkap27

Not really...Chris harris comparing the f80 with its predecessor and the G80 with its predecessor is pretty apples and oranges. Moving to twin turbo was an absolutely massive leap in performance as it should be. It's honestly kind of incredible to me the steering and grip improved as much in the G80 as the very same Chris Harris describes in his review. They were very close to the limits of what a front engine rwd setup could do capability wise and they still made pretty striking improvements it sounds like. No doubt he prefers the F80 looks wise though lol I dont think anyone can argue that

Chris says the car (G80) is hugely capable. I'm not denying that. It's obviously stiffer, bigger tyres and more refined suspension and bulked up breaks. Great, so is the new Bentley Continental GT. The M3 of past wasn't a touring car, was never an aston martin. The amg's were thugish cars with little refinement and or demonstrated little progression at the limit. The new g80 is (from what he says in full, i.e. transmission takes away for him and drive train not to his liking, weight of car) a touring car, now. More like an amg in character, and he's always loved the amgs especially the w204 because they were unruly.

Will the g80 do very well on the ring. Sure, will the m3 slay corners on a tighter, shorter circuit or sweeping Alpine roads across Europe, parts of Australia, new Zealand etc. No, buy an alpine or cayman instead.

M3's of old were more precision tools, sure lacked outright power until the e92 and that lacked tourque.

The f80, where bmw worked to reduce weight compared to the e92 and they did, stiffen it up, which they did and give it torque which they did.

What's the improvement here? Stiffer? Sure, may be but offset with being a fatty. More powerful, yes, again offset with being a fatty. Bigger breaks, sure but offset with being a fatty. Transmission, nah, not the zf. Does the engine make you smile. No, heaps of power for straight line and circuits like the ring. Quarter mile, sure, hang your stuff out when up against a mate with a c63s. Big deal.

Steering, it's precise but has no feel. Nor does my f80 and he said that at the time, so he paid the car a complement.

Looks, until he pointed out everything else, i kept looking at the grill. He's right, what's up with the front door!! I always liked the side profile of the f80 vs f82 because the f82 door is not symmetric with the cars proportions. The new wing mirrors. What have they done!!

Bmw should have reduced weight, who cares about more power, f80 has enough. They should have made the steering better with feel. Porsche still gets complemented for their electric rack. Got rid of the tourque cliff, what happened to electric turbos to torque fill.
Had the thing screem to 8k with a flat tourqe curve from 5k to 8k so you don't gave to short shift like in the f80. Better breaks always good and bigger tyres always good and less jittery suspension.

Give me that m3, i.e. I'll take the m2 cs with a manual transmission thanks, not sure the cs comes in dct.

That's what i took from Chris having watched him for over 15 years.

He's a lucky guy driving gt3 tourings. He's always loved m cars so didn't outright pan the g80. It's got progression, hall mark for M going sideways.

Therefore rejoice before it's all electric was his conclusion. Not that this car made him nostalgic like the porches still do, like even the new gt3, they haven't killed its character yet.

G80 m3, m5 in character and purpose, even if better than prior generation m5s, time has gone by and yes, he'd buy one of these over an rs4 which is best for the snow only.

I'll stick to the f80. May be the 400z will be more of an m3 of old or Toyota will fix the new supra making it m3 of old or i won the lottery and buy a gt3 in Australia which is double the price of an g80

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Nkr15

I don't care if he raves or not I cant stand him or any of his reviews, he's ruined top gear. Just want a real review from the original trio thats all. Maybe we will get one from drive tribe or something.

That's funny. A "real review from the original trio"? You make it sound like the original trio made "real reviews"

[LeedsM4]

For me, what I'm struggling with is that BMW didn't have to do this to themselves. For this next generation of sporty saloons/coupe's, the M3/M4 would have been the obvious choice for people; the C63 will supposedly have 4 cylinders, and Audi RS's have never been anywhere near the top of the class. ...The Alfa, that's anyone's guess what happens with the next generation of that car, if there is one!

For me, they didn't have to go radical in their design language to gain the AMG and RS customers and retain current M customers - They simply had to make a classy but angry M car - E90 and F80 style. Everything would've then fallen into place for them when the C63 effectively dies.

All the lines on the car that disappear and the lack of a bonnet bulge... I don't understand what they were thinking. They didn't have to be so dangerous in their design language. Just a M car like they've always done, which their customers like. The same customers that buy every generation of M car. Sadly for me, the messy lines on the car and lack of a DCT; I will look elsewhere for my F80 replacement when the time comes, and so will others.


It's not worthy of the £80k price tag that it demands when to me, it looks like a cost cutting exercise. ZF, No matter which way you look at it, has taken the main differentiating factor of an M car and a 3 series away. Yeah the interior is lovely, but the steering wheel - 320d Ebay carbon wrap edition? no thank you. Lack of carbon fiber engine bracing, gone. Big brakes at the rear, don't be silly.

From what I understand, the F80 gen sold better than the last generations (happy to be corrected) this screams that people loved it's angry personality (Why I have one) and it's angry but classy looks. This G80 doesn't offer either and that's a shame for me. (All in my opinion of course)

Anyone that's considering buying a G80, you might as well wait a year as the LCI won't be far off...

Really... They just needed to update the F80 again and they'd have been on to a winner.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by trey100

I haven't gone through all these pages so hopefully not a repeat but did you notice Car and Driver had 0-100 for the manual at 9.2 yet 1/4 mile at 11.7. Those don't seem aligned as the F80 manual was about the same to 100. Can't see making up that much in the last couple of seconds.

C&D estimated figures, no actual test.

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by bm323

From my recollection of the reviews, the ZF8 is clearly not as good as DCT. But there doesn't appear to exist a better choice for a 4 door 5 seater car.

Originally Posted by bm323

From my recollection of the reviews, the ZF8 is clearly not as good as DCT. But there doesn't appear to exist a better choice for a 4 door 5 seater car.

You are right. My next other car will only have to be a 4 seater though and that opens up options for at least Porsche PDK.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The S58 is equally as bespoke as the S55.

...or the S54 and S50 for that matter. The S65 was the oddball here, albeit a great one .

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by solstice

That's not the overall impression I get from the reviews. It sounds more like the ZF8 is as fast and better around town than the DCT but lack the drama of the DCT. One reviewer said that he'll take the ZF over the DCT but not over the newest PDK. I guess that's will be my take but I'm not a DCT die hard. It's an automatic to me and if it's snappy enough I'm good.

In the end I think current DCT lovers will miss it just as I really missed the S65 over the faster S55 due to lack of drama and character but time move on and things change. If the overall package is the big improvement every reviewer seem to think it is even the DCT fans should be ok.

I have a ZF8 in my G02 M40i. Nice, but never shift manually. It's a better auto than the DCT in my F87 CS, but many DCT drivers like me love shifting manually. For them the only natural choice remaining is PDK.

I just got the latest version of Christophorus delivered - a whole feature article on their PDK. You know they get it.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

C&D estimated figures, no actual test.

I understand it is estimated but it's a terrible estimate if they associated those 0-100 times with those 1/4 miles.

[dantm3]

Originally Posted by X3MO

New BMW M4 review: 0-60mph in 3.66 sec .... around the 13min mark in the video

That is so quick. I am guessing the manual will be 3.8-3.9, but the AWD could be sub 3.4 second times. That is unreal!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by trey100

I understand it is estimated but it's a terrible estimate if they associated those 0-100 times with those 1/4 miles.

I agree. I am looking forward to their actual test data.

[Puuhapete]

The AWD will be closer to 3 than 4 seconds for sure from 0-60 mph maybe even from 0 to 100 km/h. Doesn't matter much to me though as the ZF will spoil the overall experience of driving the car.

[DS_BMW]

Sounds pretty good. I'm guessing non OPF car will be better!

[Rick955]

Originally Posted by LeedsM4

It's not worthy of the £80k price tag that it demands when to me, it looks like a cost cutting exercise. ZF, No matter which way you look at it, has taken the main differentiating factor of an M car and a 3 series away. Yeah the interior is lovely, but the steering wheel - 320d Ebay carbon wrap edition? no thank you. Lack of carbon fiber engine bracing, gone. Big brakes at the rear, don't be silly.

From what I understand, the F80 gen sold better than the last generations (happy to be corrected) this screams that people loved it's angry personality (Why I have one) and it's angry but classy looks. This G80 doesn't offer either and that's a shame for me. (All in my opinion of course)

Anyone that's considering buying a G80, you might as well wait a year as the LCI won't be far off...

Really... They just needed to update the F80 again and they'd have been on to a winner.

I agree with much of your comments. They simply didn't need to get so radical up front. If they made that more sleek and modern (towards traditional), less outrageous and conspicuous, there would have been little to complain about. I'm not sure I agree that it doesn't look "angry"... if anything, it looks angrier than the F80 of which I had two. But perhaps a different, more nasty "angry" than a cocky angry, if that makes any damn sense. LOL I think the aftermarket will come up with some very interesting options. After BMW execs read all these reviews, you wonder if they will "tweak" the front a wee bit, or if they'll just wait on sales to help make that decision for them. But if people are thinking 2022 will bring a new front, don't hold your breath!

Yes, they cut back on some things... the CF under the hood I can live without... I opened the hood a handful of times and I never see it. The CF trim was standard on the F and now it's "another $950 please!". The gigantic skirts, plastic corner and edge pieces and the afterthought spoiler which is just too small. Everything on these was made big and bold... they should have used more of an M2CS-sized spoiler... not something obnoxious, but just a bit more complimentary to the rest of the big pieces. I saw that from the start and a few reviewers commented the same. Brakes at the rear, yeah, I agree... but I understand what they were doing, but like the spoiler, it looks minimal with everything massive. At least the spoiler is an easy quick fix. But they also did make so many changes overall.. it's a different car and for them to keep the MSRP where they did, they had to make up for it somewhere. I don't track so those $3800 seats are out. I don't need all the items on the exterior CF, especially if I replace the spoiler so that's another $4700. Forget about $8000 for brakes simply don't need, or $2500 for a day with BMW, no thanks!! LOL. Those true enthusiasts that will track this car need some of those options... so for them, it's worthwhile.

What else do you think the LCI will really bring aside from another little boost to the base MSRP? Yes, AWD which I am considering, but even with that, I see these reviews say it's just not necessary with this car, at least not to the extent it was talked about for the F, and it will be extra weight and another $3k-ish here in the US. Outside of that, I don't think it will be that significant. I had the 2015 F and the 2016 had what... LED taillights.. that was it externally. The engine and output remained unchanged. They added a few colors to the order sheet. Inside they added a few more little things, updated NAV, some little aesthetic changes, but again, very minor.

Bottom line at least for me, there's just no other 4 door car out there that checks all the boxes like this one does. I don't want an effing Dodge, Camaro or Ford, Alfa is 5 years old, P cars not for me, Audi? nah. AMG? nah. I get the M3 under $80k including D&H with Exec Pkg, CF trim, shadowline headlights and the parking (camera) package. I like the more colorful colors, but I may consider a darker color to tame that front. I have an April allocation waiting on me for a perfect summertime June delivery. Do I go for it, OR, do I wait for the 2022 and get it September/October?

[Bimmr7]

Originally Posted by annabellapizza

Lol look at this dude just tryna show off all the cars he has " Oh yea i got a mclaren, but I'm getting the new tesla roadster!" This is about the G80 m3 big man, go flex on instagram

😂😂😂😂. I was thinking the same thing. Like really dude? Let him be great I guess.