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      01-12-2021, 05:42 PM   #155
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My comment about lack of information in general and is not only about the weight. This video alone would not have swayed me, I actually think it is misleading. I still believe apples-to-apples the G8X will 200~300lb heavier than the F8X.

I really wanted to love the G8X. My M3/4 have served me so well for so many years. When researching and shopping around, I eventually ended up with my current purchase, it was not the end goal at all.
Maybe initially but once you stepped up from the 992 CS to the TT this make little sense.
Huh???
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We can complain all we want but overall it appears the technical information and communication is starting to trickle down from BMW ///M. The responses in Instagram are also a good communication touch.

It can't be too long to get some driving reviews (early to mid Feb would be my guess). And then customer deliveries mid March. We're almost there.

Does anybody know when we should expect communication on the AWD model including technical details, price, offered specs/colors, etc.? It cannot be later than March, can it?!
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Yes, this has been clear for some time now.

Basically the manual to auto penalty is smaller than the F8X generation
Actually it is not. On initial release, for some reason, BMW advertised a significant penalty of 40kg weight for the DCT. It was one of my big gripes with the F8X on initial release. This was later revised to 25kg, which is consistent with what they are showing on the M2 and what was advertised for the E9X. So ZF8 has same penalty as DCT.
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We can complain all we want but overall it appears the technical information and communication is starting to trickle down from BMW ///M. The responses in Instagram are also a good communication touch.

It can't be too long to get some driving reviews (early to mid Feb would be my guess). And then customer deliveries mid March. We're almost there.

Does anybody know when we should expect communication on the AWD model including technical details, price, offered specs/colors, etc.? It cannot be later than March, can it?!
Agreed, in general, it is very welcome.
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Actually it is not. On initial release, for some reason, BMW advertised a significant penalty of 40kg weight for the DCT. It was one of my big gripes with the F8X on initial release. This was later revised to 20kg, which is consistent with what they are showing on the M2 and what was advertised for the E9X. So the ZF8 has 5kg greater weight penalty than the DCT over the 6MT.
This isn't from advertising, it's the DIN weight difference for DCT vs 6MT.
Which can definitely be wrong of course, but it's a legal measure in Europe.
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This isn't from advertising, it's the DIN weight difference for DCT vs 6MT.
Which can definitely be wrong of course, but it's a legal measure in Europe.
Exactly, it is the DIN weights that were revised: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1338356

Reading my own thread I see I recalled wrong, DCT penalty is 25kg and not 20kg, same as ZF8. I corrected my previous post.
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Exactly, it is the DIN weights that were revised: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1338356

Reading my own thread I see I recalled wrong, DCT penalty is 25kg and not 20kg, same as ZF8. I corrected my previous post.
I'll update my prior post as well then, thank you
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Huh???
Forgive me my ignorance, but you stepped into a TT? And what is a TT actually?
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Forgive me my ignorance, but you stepped into a TT? And what is a TT actually?
992 911turbo.

TT is an old acronym for TwinTurbo that many folks still use to specify a 911turbo since the 993 generation.
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992 911turbo.

TT is an old acronym for TwinTurbo that many folks still use to specify a 911turbo since the 993 generation.
Thanks and Wow! For me this is a 911 turbo or turbo S. Well, I have to admit you elegantly escaped the weight and turbo threshold issues then altogether and I'am afraid you'll never come back to BMW. The TT is a beast with unmatched control and a real instant hammer. Never considered a decent GT with massive running promo like an M8 competition for about 70% of the TT cost? I believe I know the answer.

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It brings me great joy to attend so many PCA track days as an instructor every year and show them that they are their 'sacred cars' cannot keep up with old, antiquated technology of an M3. Mind you, this is not achieved by entering the lower rungroups to beat children up, but against the fastest red group 991 GT3 and 991 GT3 RS.

Porsche guys really believe in the infinite superiority of their technical machines' ability, then forget the DRIVER is a very important piece of the puzzle.

The day Porsche is able to provide a 'automatic track driving package', all the GT3 and GT3 RS guys will take it so they can finally get away from simple cars like M3s that somehow manage to be faster than they are. This will be a very popular package!
Indeed today the Porsche guys are not that far away from this. They run with the nannies connected because God forbid they have to actually handle a rear engined car. This of course does not stop them from waxing lyrical about how much better their car is than an M3, yet M3 drivers run with nannies off and they run with them on which is more 'proof' than any idiot at a Cars and Coffee. Which incidentally is where you'll find most of the 'tracktoy' license plate GT3 RSs that wouldn't distinguish a racetrack from a watermelon
To the above, I'd also add:
1) N'ring lap times don't mean sh*t! ///M drivers in the PCA red run group are "the sh*t"! (Porsche - take notes and fire your factory drivers!)
2) The G8x will tear the Porsche GT cars a bigger a**hole than the F8x used to.

Sometimes I forget that this is a BMW forum and then I see this.

Porsche's 'automatic track driving package' (GTx car) is built from the ground up for track duty out of the box (most of them aren't used this way, sadly, but only go back and forth from garage to cars & coffee, but that's an entirely different topic). Could you say that the G8x builders had the same priorities as the GTx car builders? (Jack of all trades but master of none vs. surgical scalpel). That's where the GTx cars are in a different league/realm. Let's give credit and appreciation where it's due.
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Good point. I did not look at the timeline on these specifically. That being said, I still had sufficient information to make a decision when I pulled the trigger on an F82 order in late 2013.
Respect your patience. Did BMW release primary information eg weight of the F8X on an earlier timeline vs the delay in BMW releasing primary information for the G8X?
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First the weight gain appears to be 400lb and everyone rallies against that.
Now it turns out the weight gain is much smaller, 152lb worse case, 66lb best case.
And yet still, the hate fest continues
You are speculating on the weight as you do not know for a fact the actual specs of the G82 and F82 in the OP's video.

I mentioned before, BMWblog reported that the AWD G8X will be about 4000 lbs. We including you will have to wait before the actual weight is known.

"Though, they won’t be light. As BMW has already shown, even the lightest possible G82 BMW M4 is heavier than the heaviest possible F82 BMW M4. So when equipped with an automatic and all-wheel drive, the new BMW M3 and M4 tip the scales dangerously close to 1,800 kg (4,000-ish lbs)."

https://www.bmwblog.com/2021/01/12/u...ing-bmw-m3-m4/

and read here https://www.bmwblog.com/2021/01/11/g82-bmw-m4-heavier/
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Finally, all has been revealed. This makes more sense now. It was simply not possible that it was gaining 400lb apples to apples

DIN weights have been available for some time, so we have all the deltas between G80 vs G82, 6MT vs 8AT
We also know the weight delta of CF seats vs regular seats: 10kg, 22lb

Per the video, in LB
F82 DCT full tank: 3615
G82 6MT full tank + CF seats: 3689
G82 6MT full tank + regular seats: 3712
G82 ZCP + CF seats: 3745
G82 ZCP + regular seats: 3767

The most apples to apples comparison is the F82 DCT vs the G82 ZCP with regular seats. 152lb weight gain. This isn't good, but it's half of what I expected.

If you consider that now you can oem source the nice CF seats


I have an F80 CS which I've weighed with a full tank at 3657lb
G80 6MT full tank + CF seats: 3701
G80 6MT full tank + regular seats: 3723
G80 ZCP + CF seats: 3756
G80 ZCP + regular seats: 3778

So, apples to apples, F80 CS to G80 ZCP= 121 with regular seats and 99 with CF seats


Some more data, power/weight
My F80 CS DCT: 8.06lb/hp
G80 6MT regular seats: 7.87lb/hp
G80 ZCP regular seats: 7.51lb/hp


edit: data updated as my F80 CS full tank was 3657. The 3610 number was normalized to half a tank of gas, which isn't what we're comparing against here
Your figures make the assumption that the F82 and G82 are of the same specs (other than what you have specified as different).
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What are you talking about nothing to do with COVID? Your lust for information has nothing to do with the safety of their workers. The plants in Germany were closed due to lock downs. More than enough time to get information out there.
Do you frankly believe BMW was not aware of the weight and specs of the G8X and COVID prevented them from knowing this??
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Respect your patience. Did BMW release primary information eg weight of the F8X on an earlier timeline vs the delay in BMW releasing primary information for the G8X?
Yes, from what I recall, there was a lot of technical information made available at launch and quickly thereafter for the F8X. It has to be said that there was also marketing BS with the F8X launch, like how they exaggerated down the weight (3,300lb, yeah, right ), there was much discussions and debates around that on the forum. But overall, I got a much more positive vibe from the F8X, the technical specs and marketing campaign resonated with me, which all prompted me to order one before test driving it.
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Respect your patience. Did BMW release primary information eg weight of the F8X on an earlier timeline vs the delay in BMW releasing primary information for the G8X?

although you don't address me, allow me to share that bmw as from the launch focussed on the importance of light weight and had it as one of the major innovations from the start.
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Respect your patience. Did BMW release primary information eg weight of the F8X on an earlier timeline vs the delay in BMW releasing primary information for the G8X?

although you don't address me, allow me to share that bmw as from the launch focussed on the importance of light weight and had it as one of the major innovations from the start.
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Respect your patience. Did BMW release primary information eg weight of the F8X on an earlier timeline vs the delay in BMW releasing primary information for the G8X?

although you don't address me, allow me to share that bmw as from the launch focussed on the importance of light weight and had it as one of the major innovations from the start.
It's akin to a top college recruit showing up for the NFL Combine. If you know your 40 time is going to be a selling point and you're hitting PBs in other key measures for your position, you're going to showcase your gifts to max out your market value.

The Biermann led team knew they had all the numbers in their favor. They couldn't wait to go to market because the E9X got outclassed on all meaningful measurables in the F8X. Stronger. Fitter. Faster.

Hair Plug Flasch ain't stupid. BMW M knows what bird they have in hand with the G gen. They need to play the PR game by selectively doling out technical specs here and there post-snoutgate. Totally predictable behavior for an automotive athlete that's...

Bigger. Fatter. Faster.
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The style of this video is straight out of 1990's high school education. For some reason I love it.
Lol, I’m just disappointed he isn’t wearing a white lab coat
I never trust guys that carry they're wallet in the front pocket. 😂
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It's akin to a top college recruit showing up for the NFL Combine. If you know your 40 time is going to be a selling point and you're hitting PBs in other key measures for your position, you're going to showcase your gifts to max out your market value.

The Biermann led team knew they had all the numbers in their favor. They couldn't wait to go to market because the E9X got outclassed on all meaningful measurables in the F8X. Stronger. Fitter. Faster.

Hair Plug Flasch ain't stupid. BMW M knows what bird they have in hand with the G gen. They need to play the PR game by selectively doling out technical specs here and there post-snoutgate. Totally predictable behavior for an automotive athlete that's...

Bigger. Fatter. Faster.
I enjoyed that and well said.

Bigger. Fatter. Faster.

Please, until these cars get on the road and gets weighed, this is all speculation and y'all know it.
What we do know 100% is it's going to be heavier (M3/4 CSH = Coupe Sport Heavy), bigger sized, more focus on appearances than substance, and a hell of a lot more beaver.

Even if it weighed 3400lbs, it's still not winning any beauty contests.
Go out of this forum and take a look, you'll see what most people really think about this car.

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I hope that "lightweight" crankshaft doesn't sacrifice reliability. The S58 motor seems to be one of the most reliable modern M engines with no catastrophic failures like a crankhub or rod bearings but then again we're only over a year into the S58 so time will tell. It was based on the B58 and I know for a fact that B58's are bulletproof as I racked up 54k miles in a span of two years with nothing besides oil changes. Fingers crossed the S58 lives up to the B58 reliability wise. And yes I know the S58 is a monster with people breaking into 700's easily with bolt ons and tunes. Let's see what happens!
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I've read all 9 pages of this discussion and I feel like the simplest way BMW can settle the conversation is to put their money where their mouth is and let people go drive the G8x M3/M4.

If they have truly been iterated and improved the car materially, irrespective of weight, then the reviews and test drivers will say so.

Videos like this are nice technical window dressing but I'd respect Klaus more for coming out and sharing something like "you'll be very happy when you get behind the wheel, we really sweated over this one, long nights, lots of heated arguments - it's really a labour of love".
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