[jmg]

Originally Posted by Ikester19

Completely agree.

Complaining and resistance to change is part of human nature. Some folk struggle to see the positives and appreciate things for what they are. Also think nostalgia plays a big part for the likes of past and present M3 owners. It was the same story when the E46, E9x and F8x M's were launched, lots of complaints about various issues. History is repeating itself!

I didn't complain when the F80 came out. I liked that it was both more powerful and lighter. Sure, the media like to complain about the steering feel, but that's a small issue in a sea of improvements.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by solstice

Not sure I agree, some are even getting annoyed that we dilute dedicated drag time threads with too much tracking related noise

It is a potential new area of strength for the M3/4 though so it’s natural there is some excitement over it.

This sums it up

People will be all over it when it hits low 10s https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1770939

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

I really curious to know why people who clearly despise this car continually come to read these threads and post their opinions over and over again. There's that thread in the F80 forum for haters to go hog wild with the hate. Why not just post there? Does hating on this car in every thread really add to the discussion at this point? If I didn't like something, I wouldn't keep going back to look at it or reading about it or caring about it. I'd move on.

I have zero interest in BMW SUVs (other than the XM3/4) or the 7 series so I never click on any front page stories on BMW SUVs or 7 series cars or participate in those forums. Just wondering what is the psychology for people who hate something to keep coming back to stare at it and talk about it incessanty and continually tell people their opinions about how bad the car looks and speculating about how bad it will drive when no one's really tested/driven one yet and there have been no actual real driving tests by any respected automotive journalists.

Reminds me about the absolute hate people spewed about the M2 when specs were released and it was pretty much the same weight as an M3. People were apoplectic... yet today, the M2, M2 comp and M2 CS are considered the best M cars BMW has produced in the last 10+ yrs almost universally.

And please... I'm not here to tell you what you should or shouldn't do. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions and please post away if it makes you feel better, but I'm genuinely curious why you would do that if you hate the car so much.

It's called a train wreck

People Can't look away

Simple as that

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Boss330

The driving dynamics got high praise from the guys at Sport Auto at least, but I guess people on the forums that have not driven the car know better than they do... ����

G82 M4 test drive review by Sport Auto https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1744192

People keep neglecting this review (English- language bias perhaps?).

For me, what got me excited was the pre-reveal video of a 6MT car being driven hard with impressive heel-toe driving.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

I really curious to know why people who clearly despise this car continually come to read these threads and post their opinions over and over again. There's that thread in the F80 forum for haters to go hog wild with the hate. Why not just post there? Does hating on this car in every thread really add to the discussion at this point? If I didn't like something, I wouldn't keep going back to look at it or reading about it or caring about it. I'd move on.

I have zero interest in BMW SUVs (other than the XM3/4) or the 7 series so I never click on any front page stories on BMW SUVs or 7 series cars or participate in those forums. Just wondering what is the psychology for people who hate something to keep coming back to stare at it and talk about it incessanty and continually tell people their opinions about how bad the car looks and speculating about how bad it will drive when no one's really tested/driven one yet and there have been no actual real driving tests by any respected automotive journalists.

Reminds me about the absolute hate people spewed about the M2 when specs were released and it was pretty much the same weight as an M3. People were apoplectic... yet today, the M2, M2 comp and M2 CS are considered the best M cars BMW has produced in the last 10+ yrs almost universally.

And please... I'm not here to tell you what you should or shouldn't do. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions and please post away if it makes you feel better, but I'm genuinely curious why you would do that if you hate the car so much.

Look, man, it's simple.

Everybody has got an opinion. Opinions are like buttholes - everyone has a butthole. We are still, as far as I know, allowed to voice our opinions on this forum freely (with the exception of stupid occasional bans).

The BMW M3 is THE quintessential BMW and so we all here are passionate about any generation M3 that comes out. This means a lot of people with opinions are going to make comments about it. This means that there are going to be differing opinions; positive, negative and everything in between.

If all opinions were identically positive, this place would get boring real fast.

If you do not wish to read negative opinions about a car you personally like - on a public Internet forum, mind you - well, you can go ahead and create a G8x-specific worship forum that only bum lickers could have access to. Places like that already exist so you wouldn't be the first one.

And it is not only the M3 that a large percentage of enthusiasts is worried about. It's the whole direction BMW is taking right now with their cars and marketing strategies that many just cannot associate with. They're concerned. It's like seeing a close person of yours spiralling into problems that they caused themselves.

The fact is this M3/4 does not have much going for it on paper. Even BMW secretly admits this by somehow omitting technical details about it in their press and commercial materials. They'd rather stir shit up by focusing on the grilles and put screaming monkeys in official launch films and make it look like the M3 is now rather a lifestyle look-at-me-I-drive-an-M3 choice.

And you can spin this any way you want, this thing does not look as good as your current F80. And it's not just the kidneys - it's that they got rid of the Hoffmeister Kink, the sharp shoulder line on the side of the car, made it look overcomplicated, bloated and they tried so hard to make it interesting and unique that they... ended up with a car that does not look like a BMW at all. Lexus RC F comes to mind.

And it's much heavier - too heavy for an M3. And it's got a laggier engine, no DCT, and a tiny cheap brake caliper. And you know it.

It's just about whether you tolerate it or not, and that's up to everybody because again, everybody's opinion, taste and preferences are diverse.

Originally Posted by f80er

What about this post makes it news worthy? Hell make a post from someone not liking the car and make it news worthy as well.

The entire G8x forum is so contrived.

So true. A more negative post would not make it to the front page. Bimmerpost should rather bring back Car of the Month awards and other stuff to get the community going again like in the E9x days.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

People keep neglecting this review (English- language bias perhaps?).

For me, what got me excited was the pre-reveal video of a 6MT car being driven hard with impressive heel-toe driving.

Don't forget that they carefully chose people and media outlets who would never say a bad thing or two about a pre-production test mule. All these "first impressions" articles are always positive, especially in German magazines. Wait for Sport Auto's Supertest rather with their own measured data.

That 6MT video was really good. They should've done this with every M3 and M5 launch to sway a handful more people away from automatics.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by swagon

Look, man, it's simple.

Everybody has got an opinion. Opinions are like buttholes - everyone has a butthole. We are still, as far as I know, allowed to voice our opinions on this forum freely (with the exception of stupid occasional bans).

The BMW M3 is THE quintessential BMW and so we all here are passionate about any generation M3 that comes out. This means a lot of people with opinions are going to make comments about it. This means that there are going to be differing opinions; positive, negative and everything in between.

If all opinions were identically positive, this place would get boring real fast.

If you do not wish to read negative opinions about a car you personally like - on a public Internet forum, mind you - well, you can go ahead and create a G8x-specific worship forum that only bum lickers could have access to. Places like that already exist so you wouldn't be the first one.

And it is not only the M3 that a large percentage of enthusiasts is worried about. It's the whole direction BMW is taking right now with their cars and marketing strategies that many just cannot associate with. They're concerned. It's like seeing a close person of yours spiralling into problems that they caused themselves.

The fact is this M3/4 does not have much going for it on paper. Even BMW secretly admits this by somehow omitting technical details about it in their press and commercial materials. They'd rather stir shit up by focusing on the grilles and put screaming monkeys in official launch films and make it look like the M3 is now rather a lifestyle look-at-me-I-drive-an-M3 choice.

And you can spin this any way you want, this thing does not look as good as your current F80. And it's not just the kidneys - it's that they got rid of the Hoffmeister Kink, the sharp shoulder line on the side of the car, made it look overcomplicated, bloated and they tried so hard to make it interesting and unique that they... ended up with a car that does not look like a BMW at all. Lexus RC F comes to mind.

And it's much heavier - too heavy for an M3. And it's got a laggier engine, no DCT, and a tiny cheap brake caliper. And you know it.

It's just about whether you tolerate it or not, and that's up to everybody because again, everybody's opinion, taste and preferences are diverse.

So true. A more negative post would not make it to the front page. Bimmerpost should rather bring back Car of the Month awards and other stuff to get the community going again like in the E9x days.

Very well said

[Jimjamz]

I can't help but think people are willing this car to become beautiful over time.

I find it ugly but get that ugly cars can still become peoples' favourites. I'm just accepting it and moving on (and notably not buying one).

[W///]

Originally Posted by swagon

Look, man, it's simple.

Everybody has got an opinion. Opinions are like buttholes - everyone has a butthole. We are still, as far as I know, allowed to voice our opinions on this forum freely (with the exception of stupid occasional bans).

The BMW M3 is THE quintessential BMW and so we all here are passionate about any generation M3 that comes out. This means a lot of people with opinions are going to make comments about it. This means that there are going to be differing opinions; positive, negative and everything in between.

If all opinions were identically positive, this place would get boring real fast.

If you do not wish to read negative opinions about a car you personally like - on a public Internet forum, mind you - well, you can go ahead and create a G8x-specific worship forum that only bum lickers could have access to. Places like that already exist so you wouldn't be the first one.

And it is not only the M3 that a large percentage of enthusiasts is worried about. It's the whole direction BMW is taking right now with their cars and marketing strategies that many just cannot associate with. They're concerned. It's like seeing a close person of yours spiralling into problems that they caused themselves.

The fact is this M3/4 does not have much going for it on paper. Even BMW secretly admits this by somehow omitting technical details about it in their press and commercial materials. They'd rather stir shit up by focusing on the grilles and put screaming monkeys in official launch films and make it look like the M3 is now rather a lifestyle look-at-me-I-drive-an-M3 choice.

And you can spin this any way you want, this thing does not look as good as your current F80. And it's not just the kidneys - it's that they got rid of the Hoffmeister Kink, the sharp shoulder line on the side of the car, made it look overcomplicated, bloated and they tried so hard to make it interesting and unique that they... ended up with a car that does not look like a BMW at all. Lexus RC F comes to mind.

And it's much heavier - too heavy for an M3. And it's got a laggier engine, no DCT, and a tiny cheap brake caliper. And you know it.

It's just about whether you tolerate it or not, and that's up to everybody because again, everybody's opinion, taste and preferences are diverse.



So true. A more negative post would not make it to the front page. Bimmerpost should rather bring back Car of the Month awards and other stuff to get the community going again like in the E9x days.

Swagon, I absolutely appreciate your opinion and the well thought out post. I'll reply to a few things, but know this is not aimed at you, but more to the general population.

Regarding the looks of the car, I thought I made myself pretty clear. This car was NOT love at first sight for me unlike so many previous M cars, but I did say it looks far better in person. Not in an elegant way, but more like a blunt instrument kind of aggressive. I don't see how that is being overly positive. I even said some will still hate it, others would change their minds. Personally, I still have to digest it, and also see the G80 in different colors too. For what it's worth, I've seen a G22 M440i and really did not like it in person, especially in Alpine White. I call it as I (key word I) see it.

The essence of what an M is has been passed on to the M2, and this car is closer to an E39 M5 rival at this point. I've been on car forums since the early 2000s and have seen this cycle over and over again. If you were to believe all these posters, ///M has been dead and come back to life 10 times since the E30 M3 went out of production. Speaking of weight, are we also forgetting that the M2CS weighs close to as much as a no option E92 M3? Certainly didn't stop reviewers saying it's one of the best M's ever made and comparing it to GT4's.

I respect that everyone is going to have opinions. I had big doubts about this car, but at the same time, I do care because I'm a BMW fan like most of you. However, it's literally 0 value added when people write one sentence and say "Buckteeth" in 20 different threads. At least I'm trying to bring something to the table. It was not that long ago that people were up in arms about the F80 having EPS and a forced induction engine (big no no's apparently when it comes to what makes an M), an M4 which apparently dilutes the brand, a horrible exhaust sound and it being far too big. Gotta love these forums.

I'll leave you all with this. While seeing the car in person does NOT mean the G80/2 has jumped up to the number 1 spot on my wish list, I still do care about the car.
1) As I said, one of the last German cars available with 3 pedals outside of Porsche
2) The drivetrain will go into the G87, which I will most likely be in the market for. If not, I'll aim to pick up a used M2C or CS depending on how much their worth in a few years
3) It's 2020 and I'm not going to travel over Christmas holidays. What else am I going to do?

I for one, look forward to owners start taking deliveries of their cars next year and making it to the front page. They will absolutely be trolled, but I hope they know that I will appreciate their feedback, especially comparing to their S55 powered cars.

Happy Holidays everyone.

[F85MTuNED]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

I really curious to know why people who clearly despise this car continually come to read these threads and post their opinions over and over again. There's that thread in the F80 forum for haters to go hog wild with the hate. Why not just post there? Does hating on this car in every thread really add to the discussion at this point? If I didn't like something, I wouldn't keep going back to look at it or reading about it or caring about it. I'd move on.

I have zero interest in BMW SUVs (other than the XM3/4) or the 7 series so I never click on any front page stories on BMW SUVs or 7 series cars or participate in those forums. Just wondering what is the psychology for people who hate something to keep coming back to stare at it and talk about it incessanty and continually tell people their opinions about how bad the car looks and speculating about how bad it will drive when no one's really tested/driven one yet and there have been no actual real driving tests by any respected automotive journalists.

Reminds me about the absolute hate people spewed about the M2 when specs were released and it was pretty much the same weight as an M3. People were apoplectic... yet today, the M2, M2 comp and M2 CS are considered the best M cars BMW has produced in the last 10+ yrs almost universally.

And please... I'm not here to tell you what you should or shouldn't do. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions and please post away if it makes you feel better, but I'm genuinely curious why you would do that if you hate the car so much.

Hey guys that hate the cars or anything in life please read repeatedly..

I'm going to repost this in every thread that pops up cause enough is enough with some of you.. HOLY SH*T 🤣

[thaalrasha]

Every new M3 car launch had people being skeptical... people who didn't like the car when it was first shown / announced and everything ... happens all the time.

While i remember people not liking the new car before, it's the first time so many people actually really still hates it... And the monkey marketing around doesn't help either... I think it's pretty clear BMW is trying to change its target consumers. While i know tones of doctor / dentists / layers buying a sleek F82 with m performance parts, mainly just for show, these guys for sure ain't gonna take and G80 / 82 with performance part, they would look like ricer boys.

[s4awd]

Originally Posted by thaalrasha

Every new M3 car launch had people being skeptical... people who didn't like the car when it was first shown / announced and everything ... happens all the time.

While i remember people not liking the new car before, it's the first time so many people actually really still hates it... And the monkey marketing around doesn't help either... I think it's pretty clear BMW is trying to change its target consumers. While i know tones of doctor / dentists / layers buying a sleek F82 with m performance parts, mainly just for show, these guys for sure ain't gonna take and G80 / 82 with performance part, they would look like ricer boys.

Nah man. I was considering keeping my e92 until I saw the M4 concept. There was no doubt about the looks. Turbos yes but not the look.

[spool twice]

100% agreed, this car has presence in person, and it's simply not just the grill either.

It's one of the few cars I've known that does not picture well, but looks stunning in person, grill and all.

As an F82 M4cs owner which is arguably one of the prettiest F82's, I didn't think I would fall for the G82. It's growing on me, and I can see myself in one in a few years.

[s4awd]

I work in a large organization that requires "request for change" approvals from multiple levels of management and senior management. How the hell did that nose get approved? Seriously.

[Mavus]

you don't mess with family

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by s4awd

I work in a large organization that requires "request for change" approvals from multiple levels of management and senior management. How the hell did that nose get approved? Seriously.

how did nose with various license plates get approved?

That's the issue that swagon mentioned. There is a major internal failure in the org.

What else did they fuq up?

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

how did nose with various license plates get approved?

That's the issue that swagon mentioned. There is a major internal failure in the org.

What else did they fuq up?

Pretty much everything

[DCG]

Us Beemer fans and some fanatics like/love BMW because of the tried and true Bavarian Design and Engineering. If we wanted a Dodge Charger we would get one.

Don't want anything fake on an $80-$100,000 car! Meaning the fake side vents. If it's not functional, delete it!

The BMW's Exterior Design Teams need to be disbanded ASAP!

[WWM3]

I am looking forward to seeing one of these in person. However, I have seen several new 4ers in person and I think they are a mess. It's not just the front either, which is unattractive. The side profile and length just don't look right to me. We will see if the M magic fixes the 4er, but I am extremely skeptical.

[bcjbmwm3]

Originally Posted by duky

So true about it being one of the most unphotogenic cars in history. I too believe seeing it in person brings out lines/design cues/depth that is hard to capture in photos. I also like that your photos were taken at sunrise/sunset (can't tell) because the way the light hits accentuates these design elements and lets the car shine. Looks fantastic in your photos

I agree, while I'm not thrilled about some of the design choices, I need to see it in person to really see what I think. The performance the cars should be capable of especially with xdrive should help a lot of people get over the looks.

[theroadrunner]

From any angle this car is probably the swan song for ICE M3/M4s.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

It's called a train wreck

People Can't look away

Simple as that

...and it is pushed on Front Page too so it's not like people are going looking for it..it's current and being marketed like any launch car would, so here everyone is...