11-05-2020, 11:10 PM | #1 |
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Heavy, AWD with a Big Grill - Audi or BMW?
Is it just me or is BMW morphing into a heavy, big grilled, AWD copy cat of Audi? I'd be interested to know what people consider are its remaining differentiations?
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11-05-2020, 11:33 PM | #2 |
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The superior motors, ergonomics and balance of an RWD chassis as it always has been. Nothing has changed in this equation. Audi has had the one advantage of traction but that is now gone making the Audi even more irrelevant.
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11-05-2020, 11:38 PM | #3 |
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the G80 grill is still smaller in size than audi ... problem is bmw split it down the middle and so it looks like fat nostrils from certain angles. I think differentiation still comes down to powertrain lead that BMW enjoys. Current Audi cars suffer from serious transmission and throttle lag issues that are massive buzzkill. Their RS cars also feel neutered maybe on purpose to save room for Porsche. Just check out any comparison videos on the new RS6/7, lagging the older F90 M5 and W213 E63. Also we whine about weight here, the new RS7 is over 4900lb!!!
im curious what audi would do in the B10 gen RS4/5 cars. Rumor is it's gonna be a plug-in hybrid, my money is on the facelift Panamera 2.9TT PHEV pushing 550hp, but with a ZF8A instead of a DCT I'm surprised they didn't add any power to the facelift B9 RS5, which has to soldier on for 3 years and is heavily outgunned. Now that BMW and MB will both have AWD in the segment it's looking rather mundane.
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11-06-2020, 07:06 AM | #4 |
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DecemberStorm is pretty spot on here. I don't think they offer much vs competition especially with the M3 offering AWD now. The S-line is a little different as the S4/S5 is still pretty nice price wise vs competitors. The 4/5 refresh look nice but powertrain still lacks a bit.
I was considering the RS5 but it really doesn't offer enough for what you pay. |
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11-06-2020, 08:33 AM | #5 |
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Nothing's changed. If you want a fast and safe handling German car, the Audi with unbalanced, nose heavy chassis, and tendency to understeer is your car. If you want a more exciting, and fun to drive German car, BMW offers a comparable balanced vehicle that has a tendency to oversteer.
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11-06-2020, 10:35 AM | #6 |
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RWD option, manual transmission option and increased track focus are the main differentiators.
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11-06-2020, 05:55 PM | #10 |
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These are pretty compelling reasons in BM's favour. Let's hope they keep the driving experience front of mind now that the specs look pretty similar on paper - it sounds like the key differentiator.
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Just consider how Tesla was able to rank between serious drivers' cars just out of the blue! Change now with the upcoming generation is not incremental, but disruptive. |
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When you compare G8x with the current RS generation, yes, of course, the BMW is probably the more purist drivers' car, like it always was. |
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Batteries are still too heavy on a sports car built for handling, can easily overheats and have limited range during 'battle mode' https://thedriven.io/2020/08/14/pors...ng-north-loop/ |
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BMW lean heavily on their ICE engines. Without them they will face new challenges. |
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M, RS have to provide daily practicality and usability in normal traffic whilst providing an exquisite feel/hint of performance and fine control. |
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11-07-2020, 09:43 AM | #18 |
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I said this about 5 years ago but it would appear Audi was always way ahead of the game...
Notice the E63s and the M5 are now what the RS7 was 5 years ago... they are all AWD and Automatic heavy sedans. It used to be the M5 had a DCT and was RWD. The E63s was RWD and Auto... there was something there to always differentiate them a bit... now you pretty much choose based on brand and what you prefer. The general architecture is identical... Oh and M3 and C63? Well that is the RS5 of about 6 years ago w a newer turbo engine... granted they are both better, newer and are probably more fun but no one can deny that Audi had the architecture down first. The M3 just has the saving grace that it can be had in RWD still... As far as looks... in the modern era, Audi was first with the big grills. Virtual Cockpit? Again Audi was first. |
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From : https://carbuzz.com/features/5-impro...-r-back-on-top Our final improvement deals with the Golf R's 4 Motion all-wheel-drive system. The Golf R uses a Haldex AWD system, which is shared across the VW and Audi lineups. Unlike some more modern AWD systems, the Haldex system sends power to the front wheels by default, then applies up to 50% of the power to the rear wheels. This means the Golf R is actually FWD during most driving situations. Competitors like the Focus RS can send up to 70% of the power to the rear wheels with drift mode. This creates an ability to slide the car around like a RWD car, which isn't really possible in the Golf R. Volkswagen should consider a more RWD-biased AWD to make the Golf R more exciting to drive. |
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...and R8. Albeit in the R8 it is pointing in the right direction
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