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      06-24-2020, 01:24 AM   #265
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Its a render of the upcoming GT Black Series, not a real vehicle, currently unsure of what the grill will look like since some spy shots show off a smaller grill while other shows off a bigger but unfinished grill.
Thanks, yeah the black series is a pretty hardcore track car leaning machine. Function over form is excusable here but whoa that’s a bit of caricature looking thing Bet it will be fast as fark whether it get the big canards or the whale shark mouth. A lot of downforce there and with AMGs monster FI tuning capabilities it spells speed.
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6/so years ago we were watching similar marketing videos for F80. They just build the hype. The car won't be too different from previous generation unfortunately. It will have turbo i6, electric steering, sucky sound, and stiff ride. It will be a better car than f80 but it won't be earth shattering.
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6/so years ago we were watching similar marketing videos for F80. They just build the hype. The car won't be too different from previous generation unfortunately. It will have turbo i6, electric steering, sucky sound, and stiff ride. It will be a better car than f80 but it won't be earth shattering.
Have you enjoyed your F80 overall? And do you plan on getting into this new one?
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      06-25-2020, 01:09 PM   #268
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I've heard conflicting rumors. Some say it's keeping the V8. We'll have to wait and see.
Everything I've seen says its getting a 4cyl. I'd like to be wrong, but I haven't seen anything saying it's keeping the V8
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      06-25-2020, 01:11 PM   #269
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I've heard conflicting rumors. Some say it's keeping the V8. We'll have to wait and see.
Everything I've seen says its getting a 4cyl. I'd like to be wrong, but I haven't seen anything saying it's keeping the V8
Who knows, guess we'll have to wait til we see and hear some C63's testing on the street..
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Everything I've seen says its getting a 4cyl. I'd like to be wrong, but I haven't seen anything saying it's keeping the V8
I've seen two or three state it's keeping the V8 but again, it's all rumors at this point. I would expect it to downsize to either a 6 cylinder or a four cylinder. We won't know until we see it testing.
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      06-26-2020, 01:45 AM   #271
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I guess I am done with BMW. Next car is a 911. The new styling is seriously complete garbage. I'd like to blame it on the fake news but unfortunately, it is as real as death. Terrible. I'll wait to see it in person but my M4 may be the last BMW I ever purchase. And I won't look back no pun intended.
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I have no alternative other than G80 and I will try to twist my eyes to accept the design.
Why do you have no alternative?
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      06-26-2020, 06:20 AM   #273
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Pretty sure the lack of ED (I was lucky enough to do it in April 2015 on my F80) is my final straw with BMW snubbing the enthusiast.

I think my alternative ride will be a C43 AMG - I am a one car guy in NY and appreciate the AWD. After the F80 I've actually had 2 Audi S4s in manual and DSG, the former stage 1 and the latter stage 2.

I always shied away from Mercedes because they offered the most "comfort forward" driving dynamic. . . Now with the 9 speed wet clutch gearbox they actually have the most lively and interesting of the automatic transmissions. . . Who would have thought!

A quick tune on the C43 will make a worthy contender, and the AMG performance exhaust makes it sound leaps and bounds better than the F80 right out of the box. Plus the white Designo interior is pure sex.

My one gripe is the exterior colors are boring. . . Give me SO any day.
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Who knows, guess we'll have to wait til we see and hear some C63's testing on the street..
Maybe they could do the opposite of BMWs Active Sound and instead of piping the engine sound falsely into the cabin they could put speakers outside the car so other people think it sounds good. That is one of the dumbest features on my car. I was driving around thinking, yea, all of these people are looking at me and hearing my cool roaring engine when turns out I was the only one hearing it so it was essentially all in my head.
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Have you enjoyed your F80 overall? And do you plan on getting into this new one?
It was my dream/bucket list to own M3 and as with my previous cars I planned to keep it for a long time 7-8 years or even more but soon i realized this car is not what I expected. I didn't like turbo engine (where is makes power), sound, and electric steering from, the start pretty much. Soon, I started to hate ride quality. Note this was my daily driver car. Also as excitement started to fade, it was very obvious that for 75k you get a 35k car with big improvements in performance area but is it worth 40k for a daily driver with a fun/performance kick?
The things I really like till the end were: front end grip/handling, DCT (I m sure I would like manual as well), and exterior design.
I m not excited about the upcoming M3 at all. We know they will use the same approach as with F80.
What would make me excited and wanting another M3: engine that is different enough from standard series (like gt3 does for p cars) and properly sounding exhaust, and redesigned interior- I do not want tot to look like a regular car. Red start button is not enough.
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For me, I would stay with my M4 for a while and then look for a well-equipped M850i or an M8 two years later. I like the design of the 8 Series.

A 991.2 Carrera T or Carrera GTS is also on the table.

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if you wait a couple of years, you can get a Supra GRMN with the S58 engine (G8x , X3M, X4M) with a DCT!

A BMW M3-Powered Toyota Supra GRMN Is in the Works, But There's a Catch
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For me, I would stay with my M4 for a while and then look for a well-equipped M850i or an M8 two years later. I like the design of the 8 Series.

A 991.2 Carrera T or Carrera GTS is also on the table.

M850i in Carbon Black. I love this colour

From that angle the M4 should look quite similar. The 8 is nice looking but would be great looking if it was the size of the 4. As it is the sheer size make it look poorly packaged which ruins any coupe to me.
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if you wait a couple of years, you can get a Supra GRMN with the S58 engine (G8x , X3M, X4M) with a DCT!

A BMW M3-Powered Toyota Supra GRMN Is in the Works, But There's a Catch
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar188951.html
So the f'ing Supra gets the S58 with a DCT....!?
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So the f'ing Supra gets the S58 with a DCT....!?
If true you should be happy, it means the M-DCT will be on Getrag’s offerings a bit longer and increase the chances you could see one of the G8X special models sporting it.
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So the f'ing Supra gets the S58 with a DCT....!?
Extremely unlikely. If it does get the S58, which is by no means confirmed yet, it will almost surely be paired with the ZF8 (and/or 6MT).
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I immediately went to the Porsche dealership and looked at a Panamera 4s, unfortunately I'm still too poor so I'm getting a 2021 M550 lol
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Not true. There is no 4-seater Porsche that I'd want to drive on a daily basis, or take around a track. (Perhaps Taycan will change that)

Money isn't everything. When you only have parking space for one car, other factors are more important. M cars used to have a unique value proposition. Now you're often paying for a label that says "I bought the most expensive model".
This, and that. Why wouldn't those that responded Porsche have just bought one anyway if it fits their budget and practicality requirements? I've never met a fellow p-car owner who said, "You know I really wanted an M3, but I had to settle for this 911/Cayman". What model would be a suitable M3 replacement? The sports cars lack passenger and cargo space, the Panamera is too big, the Macan is too soft, heavy, and luxury oriented. Maybe the Taycan? Replacing a motorsport oriented car with a dead silent EV doesn't make a ton of sense to me either, but I might consider it because I like to try different things. It's also very heavy.
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This, and that. Why wouldn't those that responded Porsche have just bought one anyway if it fits their budget and practicality requirements? I've never met a fellow p-car owner who said, "You know I really wanted an M3, but I had to settle for this 911/Cayman". What model would be a suitable M3 replacement? The sports cars lack passenger and cargo space, the Panamera is too big, the Macan is too soft, heavy, and luxury oriented. Maybe the Taycan? Replacing a motorsport oriented car with a dead silent EV doesn't make a ton of sense to me either, but I might consider it because I like to try different things. It's also very heavy.
I ask that question often. I don't see why anybody who can afford a Porsche, and who now claims they will buy one since BMW pissed them off, didn't just buy a Porsche to begin with. It sounds like posturing, and only few will make the jump. For those that do - especially into a GT variant - I commend them.
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I ask that question often. I don't see why anybody who can afford a Porsche, and who now claims they will buy one since BMW pissed them off, didn't just buy a Porsche to begin with. It sounds like posturing, and only few will make the jump. For those that do - especially into a GT variant - I commend them.
I'd say most people who buy an M3 *could* probably afford a 911 if they really could justify it. It may take some sacrifices for some, but they COULD do it. I think the hesitation for me getting a 911 in the past, and why I didn't keep the 718S I had was because I basically needed it to be my 3rd car... the balance of utility and sport and trackability goes the opposite direction as the M3 and many parts of the country it's not feasible to use a 911 year round. Also harder to haul kids/stuff... so you are almost forced to buy an additional car on top of that already more expensive car .. that puts it just out of reach of the allotted budget. That's my take anyways, I'm sure there's a lot of empty threats too.

I've moved to a 3 car household afterall so my Camaro's back seats are no longer needed and my next 3rd car will likely be a Z06 or GT car. If I can make it a 4 car household, maybe I'll welcome the G80's ugly mug back
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I'd say most people who buy an M3 *could* probably afford a 911 if they really could justify it. It may take some sacrifices for some, but they COULD do it. I think the hesitation for me getting a 911 in the past, and why I didn't keep the 718S I had was because I basically needed it to be my 3rd car... the balance of utility and sport and trackability goes the opposite direction as the M3 and many parts of the country it's not feasible to use a 911 year round. Also harder to haul kids/stuff... so you are almost forced to buy an additional car on top of that already more expensive car .. that puts it just out of reach of the allotted budget. That's my take anyways, I'm sure there's a lot of empty threats too.

I've moved to a 3 car household afterall so my Camaro's back seats are no longer needed and my next 3rd car will likely be a Z06 or GT car. If I can make it a 4 car household, maybe I'll welcome the G80's ugly mug back
We could afford a brand new entry level P-Car with no options for the price of a fully loaded M3 purchased at MSRP. Add options, and that P-Car ventures into territory well beyond what we paid for our M3/M4's.
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