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Just how long AWD is delayed is unknown. A couple likely bets from forum members are spring 2021 (fast follow) or July 2021 which would coincide with the 2022 model in the USA. (Much of Europe uses calendar year so it would still be a "2021", these predictions are harder when frame of reference is unclear) |
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07-10-2020, 04:55 PM | #223 |
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The timeline is the only significant disappointment I have this far with everything G8X. Everything is just too late except maybe the leaks
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HA the most important question didn't get translated....
Or a definitive answer... Referencing the delayed intro of xdrive, Google Roughly translates to "we'll see" So clearly they are playing xdrive launch close to the vest My theories 1. Most likely - marketing planning, the delay is calculated and deliberate. either they a. want significant attention on the RWD model at launch (highlight certain aspects of rwd experience, drive demand to a specific segment early on) or b. Have an xdrive specific campaign planned that they want the M3/M4 to headline and not conflict with overall launch messaging 2. Less likely - additional development time. We have seen these cars in testing for over 2 years at this point and it's been known the xdrive variant was amongst them from day 1, plenty of time to get sorted out especially for an existing system and core platform that has other xdrive models already in existence. |
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- By launching the car as RWD only there is less to digest for the press and potential buyers. The car’s performance improvements over the old version will be cleanly and fairly on display. The AWD version will not be there to steal all the thunder. - AWD brings a very complex multi factor toolbox of parameters to play with on the track to optimize performance and whether we like it or not ring times...The M3 is the first track focused car to get Xdrive so tuning done for the M5 and X3M might not be suitable for this purpose. BMW would want to try to extract every tens of a second they can out of this new advantage. |
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World 29,251 DCT 5,426 6MT Total = 34,677 USA 11,509 DCT 4,548 6MT Total = 16,057 15.6% worldwide 6MT and 28.3% USA 6MT Almost 84% of all 6MTs came to USA!!!
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“I just test drove my buddies E90 M5 yesterday. One of my disappointments with the car is the 8AT. I test drove it back to back with my M4cs and his new 992 C4. The shifts feel much less crisp in the M5 compared to the DCT and PDK. The 8AT can't handle an all-out power shift and cuts engine power on upshift (yes, 4WD DSC off). The downshifts are not as immediate and smooth. It definitely feels less sporty. It feels heavy and sluggish in comparison. Traditional planetary automatics have come a long way, but they have not yet quite matched the sportiness and all out performance of a good dual clutch. There's a reason why all super/hyper cars are still DCT equipped” Probably better to take further questions and discussions you have about it over in that thread. |
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Yes rev-match The DCT for sure is snappier and a more direct feel at 10/10ths But at 8/10ths you won't know the difference... I'm betting as new M products are released the programming gets better. The G80 will for sure have the latest and greatest. |
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I’ve driven enough ZF8 to know it won’t be as good as a DCT.
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