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Have any mid-engine M9 renders been created / rumored? Theorized?
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SLS is neither in any BMW or any Benz leagues even the top of the line AMG GT so there is no point to battle it against M3 but if the performance is the criteria then M8 should be better competitor than M3 due to power/torque and even engine territory
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And yes everybody picks SLS over ANY BMW & BENZ 😄
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Interesting...and now this morning I see an article with rumors that Audi / BMW are splitting a purchase of Mclaren, with Audi taking the F1 side and BMW taking the supercars.
That would play right into the mid-engine discussion above. Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...lwoche-reports Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...he-2021-11-14/ BMW denying it currently, but we'll see how things play out. edit : Motor1: https://www.motor1.com/news/547758/b...e-maclaren-f1/ Quote:
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You know, when the Bugatti Veyron first came out I thought it was the ugliest POS hyper car I'd ever seen.
I've come to appreciate its performance, but I still think it's fugly. I may be in the minority here but I think the M3/M4 are styled better than the Veyron. The Chiron is an improvement for sure, but still doesn't quite do it for me in the looks department at that price point. If BMW comes out with a Mclaren / Ferrari / Lambo competitor and the performance is there, IMO the grill will be a non-issue. edit: plus, given the flatter wedge shapes of most cars in that category, by necessity the grill would have to be smaller.
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Maybe that's what Markus Flasch was talking about when he spoke about a unique///M offering the like of which doesn't exist in the current BMW line up
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If I'm buying something to hang on the dining room wall, appearance comes first, of course. But buying something to drive, appearance has always been secondary to the experience for me, so I hit a wall trying to understand how a car enthusiast can reverse that priority. I STILL, after owning this car since March 7th, don't enjoy the appearance of my car as much as I did my M2 (though I personally thought the back end of my M2 was as atrocious as my think the front end of the G8x is). I dislike sedans overall due to the extra breaks in the side created by the rear doors and the appearance of b-pillars in general. Yet I own a sedan as function of the car overrides the aesthetic for me. Sticking with just my own reactions to the various cars on the market, the G8x doesn't come anywhere near the Tesla 3 and Y in pure horrid looks. Yet I could still BUY a 3 or a Y if I wanted what they offered as devices. I recall the old Top Gear episode where they tried to prove that a car can be art and failed to win over the art folk they had on the show. Obviously it was done for laughs, but the point was solid. A car CAN be art despite being mass-produced, but cars that achieve that level of beauty or uniqueness are quite rare. So, the serious question is: What is your car to you? Is it a status item? Fodder for Instagram more than a device to experience? I'm not looking for why you don't like the G8x, that's been made clear by tons of people, I'm looking for why the device matters less than the shape. Why do the aesthetic factors override the functional factors of the device (for you or anyone else that wants to actually answer the question)? Last comment to try and make it clear that I'm not trying to start a war here: Whatever your answer is, as long as the answer works for your life and makes you happy, that's all that matters. |
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It doesn't really bother me so I haven't kept up on them but I do recall lengthy discussions and votes on which design they were going to go with before I bought mine. And I DID like most of their designs better than the OEM. I may still swap it out one day. Currently I have too many other projects requiring more immediate attention and funds though so a bumper swap is pretty far down my list of things to do / care about at the moment.
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The question is, I guess, would you live in a mansion that looks like a dog house, or a house that looks like a mansion? To me, personally, I'd like to think I would love getting into my car as much as I would getting out of it. Let me elaborate: aesthetics is what would make me love getting into a good looking car, whereas performance is what would put a smile on my face when getting out of the car. Just as in architecture, it's often difficult to achieve both in equal proportions, but if and when you do, you'll have a car that will be loved for time immemorial. That's where Aston Martin, for example, shines - it has both the looks and performance and the resale price is indicative of that fact be it a DB4 or a DB9. Obviously, this is hugely subjective, and as such, subject to interpretation.
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My current daily is the aging F80 and it's replacement must be equally fun to drive and styling to match. While looks are obviously subjective, if you don't get out and look back at the car and smile, you bought the wrong one. For me, the G80 doesn't do it. Other manufacturers might. Narrow lap times aren't as critical as the overall fun factor. I've done enough track days to know that the fastest laps aren't typically done in the fastest cars, but by the most skilled drivers. Having bragging rights at the pub is meaningless if you can't personally back it up. With that in mind, having the slightly slower but to my eyes far better looking car such as the RS5 (which I haven't driven) may be better than the looks of the current G80. The reason many have been outspoken on the looks like myself is due to disappointment. I love my F80 and was really excited for the new car. I was CERTAIN I'd order one but when the grill shots came, I was gutted. With electric cars marching on, this may be the last M I own, which is even more disappointing. |
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