[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by zamboni

Other choice is Porsche GT4 and 911 GT3 both offered in MT.

And the 911 non-GT variants. I am not a fan, and I put way too many miles on my cars. I have done the math and for me, a 911 Carrera S is affordable but the cost of ownership is ridiculous. The least amount of miles I've ever put in a car in a 3 year lease is 65k.

Everyone else who has a 911 babies it and sells it long before it hits 65k, so I would be effectively signing my financial death warrant to buy or even lease one.

Also, it's not nearly as good looking if a car. I've been looking at 991's as dedicated track cars however.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I could not agree with you more!

Sometimes it seems like we get some confused Audi RS buyers in the M3 forums...

The new model cycle brings a lot of the more casual/new members to these forums. They haven't been part of the maelstrom of debate that the last 6 months since the release has been (lucky for them).

Imagine that, they just lived their lives in peace and relative serenity completely ignorant to the raging battle that these forums have been since the release.

[s4awd]

Originally Posted by Silber

I would not. The CS is a perfect car for me personally and does something completely in terms of driver engagement while the G80 is more in the realm of what the M5 used to be - a luxury land missile.

I am going to be selling my F82 and 135i though, and will consider a G8X as a replacement grand tourer, maybe even replacing the spot that the i8 currently hold in the garage. But if I use it in that role, I'd probably wait for the AWD variant, or maybe even the i4.

Originally Posted by seis-speed

Baby M5, room for 5, hauls ass, sounds decent, and has a manual. All the new vids and customer reactions have me excited for this car.

Originally Posted by Silber

...the G80 is more in the realm of what the M5 used to be - a luxury land missile..

Curious. What is the current M5 to you now?

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by s4awd

Curious. What is the current M5 to you now?

A prom limousine?

[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

And the 911 non-GT variants. I am not a fan, and I put way too many miles on my cars. I have done the math and for me, a 911 Carrera S is affordable but the cost of ownership is ridiculous. The least amount of miles I've ever put in a car in a 3 year lease is 65k.

Everyone else who has a 911 babies it and sells it long before it hits 65k, so I would be effectively signing my financial death warrant to buy or even lease one.

Also, it's bit nearly as good looking if a car. I've been looking at 991's as dedicated track cars however.

How do you get out of overmilage fees or do you buy it out?

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

How do you get out of overmilage fees or do you buy it out?

I pay the overmileage fees.

If they offered 18k mile/year leases I would do that. I have run numbers and it's actually cheaper to get a 12k lease (as opposed to a 15k/year lease) and pay the overmileage.

My friend does a similar amount of driving and leases S560 Benz's. He does a 7,500 mile/year lease and pays the overmileage at the end because it is cheaper to do so.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

How do you get out of overmilage fees or do you buy it out?

Depends on your relationship with your dealership. When I have leased in the past, for example, I was buying another car (...and I always bought from the same person), so it was never an issue.

[InsideMan]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Depends on your relationship with your dealership. When I have leased in the past, for example, I was buying another car (...and I always bought from the same person), so it was never an issue.

Dealers are starting to get this email....😂


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[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Saphirschwarz

It sounds 95 % ASD from inside the cabin i can tell u that. I could live with this sound in my M2 like for a week and then i had it disconnected plus new exhaust plus windows open.... mandatory on modern bmw imo.

As I said I think it sounded great and was comparing it to the S58 in my X3M as it sounds different, I've been driving ASD equipped M cars for the last 7 years and I have zero issue with it despite coming from a line of E46 and E92 M3s before those. My post was about it sounding good to me not whether you can stand the sound your M2 makes.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Wills2

As I said I think it sounded great and was comparing it to the S58 in my X3M as it sounds different, I've been driving ASD equipped M cars for the last 7 years and I have zero issue with it despite coming from a line of E46 and E92 M3s before those. My post was about it sounding good to me not whether you can stand the sound your M2 makes.

+2

[il Nemico]

@silber

Can you post a photo of your M2 CS next to the G80 M3?

Would love to see the side by side size comparison.

[Saphirschwarz]

Originally Posted by Wills2

As I said I think it sounded great and was comparing it to the S58 in my X3M as it sounds different, I've been driving ASD equipped M cars for the last 7 years and I have zero issue with it despite coming from a line of E46 and E92 M3s before those. My post was about it sounding good to me not whether you can stand the sound your M2 makes.

Sorry you're right i didnt read "fake or not". My bad.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by il Nemico

@silber

Can you post a photo of your M2 CS next to the G80 M3?

Would love to see the side by side size comparison.

Pics of this comparison were just posted yesterday or the day before. It's noticeably smaller, as expected. I'm not sure what you're trying to garner from pics when you already know the M2CS is about the size of an E46 M3 and the G8X is E39 M5 sized (...more or less).

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Pics of this comparison were just posted yesterday or the day before. It's noticeably smaller, as expected. I'm not sure what you're trying to garner from pics when you already know the M2CS is about the size of an E46 M3 and the G8X is E39 M5 sized (...more or less).

The same debate rage with the F8X. And yes it’s a large car, if you want a compact the G8X ain’t it neither is the F8X. That train sailed decades ago.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by solstice

The same debate rage with the F8X. And yes it's a large car, if you want a compact this car ain't it.

Yep! It's cyclical. We have largely the same debates every 6 years.

[OSee]

video private. did BMW NA come knocking?

[i128]

Originally Posted by OCfromOC

video private. did BMW NA come knocking?

OP, what happened to the video? I as well am curious to know if BMW NA really has that kind of reach...

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by solstice

The same debate rage with the F8X. And yes it’s a large car, if you want a compact the G8X ain’t it neither is the F8X. That train sailed decades ago.

Sedan_Clan in 3 generations (E46 to G80) the M3 has grown exactly 12 inches...That's not that bad, everyone is surprised to read that. In 19 years it grew at a rate of .63"/year.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yeah, and a GT4 with similar options will be in another galaxy, all while offering the utility of a bicycle with a basket attached to the handlebars. That said, the GT cars are great, but the comparisons aren't fitting.

These are the same comparisons we get all the time from these geniuses
I'd love to watch any of these geniuses go to their wives and explain that instead of buying a 4 door sedan, they are going to buy a 2 seat car that sucks for everything except the track.

I also really like how someone will go to one car, load it with every option there is, then compare it against the base version of another car.
So the CCBs were 'necessary' for car A, but if you go to car B, now they are no longer necessary. Logic 101!

And yet still, instead of buying those cars and going to the forum of their new acquisition, they stick around here to utter stupidities.

Then one day they'll take their 'racecar' to the track and get spanked by a 4 door sedan

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by solstice

The same debate rage with the F8X. And yes it's a large car, if you want a compact the G8X ain't it neither is the F8X. That train sailed decades ago.

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Sedan_Clan in 3 generations (E45 to G80) the M3 has grown exactly 12 inches...That's not that bad, everyone is surprised to read that. In 19 years it grew at a rate of .63"/year.

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

These are the same comparisons we get all the time from these geniuses
I'd love to watch any of these geniuses go to their wives and explain that instead of buying a 4 door sedan, they are going to buy a 2 seat car that sucks for everything except the track.

I also really like how someone will go to one car, load it with every option there is, then compare it against the base version of another car.
So the CCBs were 'necessary' for car A, but if you go to car B, now they are no longer necessary. Logic 101!

And yet still, instead of buying those cars and going to the forum of their new acquisition, they stick around here to utter stupidities.

Then one day they'll take their 'racecar' to the track and get double fisted by a 4 door sedan

Agree with all of the above.

Ya know, when I first came to BMW in 2000-2001 with the E46 330ci, and later a few E46 M3's, etc., I used to take the Porsche comparisons seriously.......

....until I actually priced one out AND talked to owners about the maintenance. Ughhh, it was a reality check. Big time!

I built a G82 a month ago with CF buckets and options similar to my current F82. I also started building a Porsche Carrera S. I hadn't even finished the comparable build and the P car was already $50k more than the G82.

[Silber]

Originally Posted by il Nemico

Can you post a photo of your M2 CS next to the G80 M3?

Would love to see the side by side size comparison.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to line them up for a good side by side - there wasn't really room. G80 is significantly longer, which makes sense considering that it's longer than the F80 and the F87 is sorter than that.

[Silber]

Originally Posted by i128

OP, what happened to the video? I as well am curious to know if BMW NA really has that kind of reach...

I posted earlier that it was requested I take it down until the embargo was up. A bunch of dealers got slapped by corporate earlier this week for letting people out on drives as soon as the cars arrived. I don't want to cause more trouble for the dealer, so I've locked it down until the embargo is up on the 10th.