[_E90S65_]

First they take away my AC button, now I gotta scroll/dig thru a menu to do other simple functions?

Where's Dr. Biermann when we need him?

[z335is]

Actually looks much better than I was expecting. Certainly makes pre-LCI look dated by comparison.

[Flamingi]

Originally Posted by somer

so how many menu levels deep are the 8 shortcuts that BMW has had forever?

seat heaters?

just give me a goddamn button.....

I think the deepest would be something like:
Main Menu > App > App Settings > Settings section > One setting in this section > Setting options

But I'd say 90% of the stuff you use daily requires the same number of steps as in ID7 e.g.:
Main Menu > Navigation > Choose Action > Enter destination
or maybe one more step:
Main Menu > Climate Control > Change stuff here (whereas in ID7 you would just press the physical button...)

Regarding the climate control in particular, I never understood why people need physical switches for that. For me, this is a set once and forget setting, as the car is doing everything automatically anyway. Defroster etc. is still physical, the only thing I would still keep physical as well is seat heating/ventilation (those ones they have replaced with "AI" and you can tell the car to automatically turn those options on, depending on temperature etc.).

[ai13840046573]

If I can choose, I'd prefer id8 on X5 then id7 on M3. So all the undelivered M3 will have id8?

[EricVR4]

Originally Posted by Flamingi

I think the deepest would be something like:
Main Menu > App > App Settings > Settings section > One setting in this section > Setting options

But I'd say 90% of the stuff you use daily requires the same number of steps as in ID7 e.g.:
Main Menu > Navigation > Choose Action > Enter destination
or maybe one more step:
Main Menu > Climate Control > Change stuff here (whereas in ID7 you would just press the physical button...)

Regarding the climate control in particular, I never understood why people need physical switches for that. For me, this is a set once and forget setting, as the car is doing everything automatically anyway. Defroster etc. is still physical, the only thing I would still keep physical as well is seat heating/ventilation.

For me it's because I don't want greasy fingerprints all over the screen. A one-touch physical button is also just faster. I've had touch screens in my last 2 BMW's and I've never once used them for the same reason....it just gets fingerprints all over it and looks like a toddler drives the car. I'm too OCD for it

[playswcars]

I seriously hope my car is still built as a MY22. Ordered in January, so we'll see.

[apexes]

Originally Posted by TJR_M3

Still trying to catch up on this thread, but I was thinking exactly the same thing re. the Blackberry!
I am going to wait until I have driven a car with iD8. To be honest, with the HUD I almost never look at the current display anyway.

Nice, fellow supply chain-er here! I work in automotive supply chain planning, and although I can't say what that looks like for BMW, I do know it's very costly to design operating systems and the infrastructure it requires to do so - including a huge team that has to be employed to maintain and design the systems. Those initial investments are the costly part and are typically dispersed through the all products to recoup the investment. Regardless of where those costs are allocated though they are an outright investment by BMW and at least based on my own experience I would think that cost is higher than the traditional knob/switchgear design. IMO The real cost cutting measure would have been to keep ID7 since at this point in its lifecycle it probably costing them very little to maintain and their r&d costs should be well past covered.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Supply chain is my life and I can pretty much guarantee it's cost savings. Knobs may not require an R&D investment but they place a burden on the supply chain in the form of sku management, inventory, and supply/demand planning.

As for the R&D investment to design the software - that's on the roadmap regardless. And a completely different department. Did you expect them to not have any software iterations after iDrive 7?

Originally Posted by maverick618

As an engineer, I can guarantee you this is a massive cost savings. Software r&d is going to happen no matter what the screen looks like, that spending is going to exist no matter what.

Removing a huge number of assembly parts, all of which have supply chain, inventory management, quality control, etc is a giant savings.

I have some questions for you since you seem to know BMWs business inside and out and are so matter of fact about it.

Does BMW make their own buttons and knobs and doesn't get them sourced from the same manufacturer that sources everyone else?

Why get rid of some buttons but keep others? Why not roll the windows down and lock the doors on a screen as well? Screens on the steering wheel for cruise control, why not? It would be cheaper since screens are cheaper than plastic buttons, no? Or are these buttons magical and exempt from the supply chain shortcomings you listed above?

Is a curved, 2 feet long, single piece of glass cheaper to source than some plastic buttons? Is said piece of glass easier to transport, handle, and stock?

I'm just trying to understand where exactly the cost cutting is coming from. You guys feel free, I'm here to learn.

Would some of you be as angry if they got rid of the buttons but integrated them into the existing screen and kept the same layout? That would have been even cheaper to do...MUCH cheaper.

[Slo_F80_Mike]

Idk, I don't really like it. Def seems out of place in this interior like an afterthought, especially an M car. Isn't this the same unit from the new 2 series? If so, that's real cost cutting and bringing in same stuff from 2 series to the 3 which is unheard of. They are trying to copy Benz imo. To me, it seems bmw is losing their way and just trying to please the market these days. For the ones who said they'll sell out regardless, yeah cuz there always will be people who want the newest things no matter what. Also, supply has been obviously low lately, hence the availability. Personally, I'm not in love with these newer cars coming out which are all getting more and more numb/ isolated and filled with big ass screens to be "modern".

[jmg2069]

I got a call on Saturday my allocation is ready for my g82, not that it makes a difference since no changes for the m4 but mine is going to be a MY22.

I initially wanted a 23, but I think I'm just gonna take the 22 and move on.

I don't mind the LCI, and I know the i7 will eventually look dated but this is a weekend car for me. I may daily drive it from time to time (probably a lot at the beginning), but I'm getting it for the driving experience. I have been wanting an M car since I was a teenage and glad to be in position to finally obtain one.

I also have a Raptor, that's being replaced with a Rivian R1S Suv eventually.

I like technology and creatures of comfort, but I rather have them on a daily than my sports car (if you can call a g82 that).

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Flamingi

I can see it on the German configurator, 500€ and it's available on the MT6 (with the old ID7 screens) as well as on the Competition with the new curved screen.

Unfortunately it's only the upper part of the dashboard, so it doesn't add the stitches on the upper parts of the door cards like the full leather option.
Also, Sensatec for the seats is not available for the G8X either, but not sure if anyone would order that... I would prefer it over Dakota/Vernasca, but Merino beats them all.

There is a growing group of car purchasers that would love a non-leather interior for durability and other reasons. In particular Porsche and Tesla are promoting these as options. It's nice to see that the i7/7 introduces another option in the cashmere cloth to the materials palette. Sensatec is all over the company. It would just be a nice option to apply it to all models if one wished it.

[P1]

Originally Posted by jmg2069

I got a call on Saturday my allocation is ready for my g82, not that it makes a difference since no changes for the m4 but mine is going to be a MY22.

I initially wanted a 23, but I think I'm just gonna take the 22 and move on.

I don't mind the LCI, and I know the i7 will eventually look dated but this is a weekend car for me. I may daily drive it from time to time (probably a lot at the beginning), but I'm getting it for the driving experience. I have been wanting an M car since I was a teenage and glad to be in position to finally obtain one.

I also have a Raptor, that's being replaced with a Rivian R1S Suv eventually.

I like technology and creatures of comfort, but I rather have them on a daily than my sports car (if you can call a g82 that).

Trust me: screens glued onto a dashboard supported by a few plastic supports will look dated IMMENSELY faster than what we have today.

[YolkyPalky]

Not sure I’ll ever like/get used to the “iPad mounted on top of the dashboard” look. Just because Tesla does it, doesn’t mean you have to copycat them.

[ellipsis212]

To please G80 buyers they really should have glued 2 iPad Pros vertically onto the dashboard

[vj123]

Originally Posted by jmg2069

I got a call on Saturday my allocation is ready for my g82, not that it makes a difference since no changes for the m4 but mine is going to be a MY22.

I initially wanted a 23, but I think I'm just gonna take the 22 and move on.

M4 is not getting these updates for MY23.

[m34m]

They're putting that dog shit in the M cars too!!!?? Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

[brinkmann]

Originally Posted by vj123

M4 is not getting these updates for MY23.

When will MY23 M4's go into production? Is timing identical to the M3?

[vj123]

Originally Posted by brinkmann

When will MY23 M4's go into production? Is timing identical to the M3?

I believe MY23 SOP (July 2022) is the same between M3 and M4.

[m5eattle]

I've sat in an i4. The interface is hard to use at a stop, let alone while you're doing M car things.

This is a huge step backward. Zero physical controls. Drivers attention needs to be on the screen to do anything at all. Putting everything on one display, while also losing the programmable number keys is ridiculous.

Guess my LCI F90 just became more valuable. Wonder what they'll do to the 5/M5s next….

[LimeRock]

Do I think the old setup looks cleaner? Yes.

Will I end up buying an LCI with ID8? Also yes.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by apexesm4

Not sure I agree with the notion that this is cost-cutting. The r&d investment to design software and operating systems isn't cheap. Knobs on the other hand don't really require that same level of investment, especially when they design the same knobs for years across multiple models.

The screen itself is considerably more expensive as it's larger and higher quality. You then have associated software costs of integrating all the new items into the display, adding screens, etc. The savings come where you can't see it.

• every switch has associated wiring so the amount of harnesses is reduced meaning less wiring in the car and less things to troubleshoot
• lower overhead and procurement due to elimination of switches and associated electrical hardware that would otherwise be purchased and inventoried
• negating the installation of switches, wire harnesses, etc leans out the manufacturing process by reducing installation steps/procedures

The reality is that this leads to simpler vehicles that should be more reliable due to less parts as issues will be directly related to the screen only (now the screen itself could be a higher cost thing out of warranty but I've never had to replace any screen in any of the cars I've owned so I don't think this is something that's going to be a big deal).

We certainly have a large contingency of posters here that don't like change or progress and I get that, but over the years we will adapt and a lot of people will actually change their tune as they get used to it. I think people need to be mindful that if a manufacturer fails to implement technology that is widely being used in the industry, then the car appears dated and is less appealing to the general populace. As we have seen by sales over the past few years, all these controversial styling changes that have been widely panned by enthusiast have actually led to higher sales so it's a matter of seeing the big picture and realizing that catering to purists is not a sustainable business model.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by DK__LA

That outdated iPad will never make the MY21-22 ID7 look outdated.
Not everything is better just because it's new.

If they integrated the screen properly into the dash , I would've been all over it as many others with taste.

The ID8 already makes ID7 outdated. Very outdated.