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The more civilized ones have higher salaries. The less civilized ones like Spain (where I'm from before anyone gets offended) and the rest of the PIGS it would be less than 50% Right now the FX is ~1.1 so not really significant. |
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Thanks for the info... indeed totally crazy.
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I was neither. I worked hard for a many number of years before I was comfortably able to buy my car. This is very generally speaking but the average wage in France I would say is between 1,500 to 3,500 EUR a month in your pocket depending on your job. My wife is an English Teacher in High School and her salary for the last 3 months hasn't been anymore than 1300 EUR a month to put things into perspective Housing rent or mortgage around the Paris area would take 1000 EUR away from you straight away. A quick google search shows that a 2 bedroom apartment 69 meters squared total surface in a suburb of Paris in one of the worst areas possible is 1007 EUR a month. That would leave my wife 297 euros a month for the rest - food, transport, fuel, insurance etc. So you can see that leasing a BMW M3 at 1200 - 1500 EUR a month is only for a special few. If you have a nice watch, Rolex / Bell & Ross etc, the first question here from someone is not Hey that's a nice watch you've got, it's Hey where did or how did you get that ? There have been many times I am very uncomfortable driving the M3 due to the looks I receive. |
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I've driven mine in and around central Paris and London. I don't agree.
The problem with Paris is that nobody gives a shit and will just drive into you anyway or if parked trash your car as a symbol of wealth. London has a different atmosphere completely. Respect, politeness and appreciation of a great car. I've had more car conversations with complete strangers in the UK than in France. That's how I see it anyway |
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Well I understand the new car taxes are a proposal, it doesn't mean it will get aproval from lawmakers. We shall see.
Also the CO2 emissions rules do not encourage sports car to get heavier, you guys have it wrong. It's a fleet wide average. Lighter car = less fuel consumption = less CO2, it averages out with the 2 tonne+ SUVs. It's meant to not penalize companies who build big cars too heavily. The French have a very awkward relationship with money and wealth despite having more millionaires per capita than most countries in Europe, only Switzerland and Germany afaik have more. Not so in other countries. France is not the whole of Europe, and in reality for its size and wealth it's quite a small market for such cars. And regarding the freedom argument... Last edited by emix84; 10-09-2020 at 11:34 AM.. |
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First of all just buy it in another country.... Way cheaper in Belgium, even cheaper in Eastern Europe if u know what you're doing...
Taxes of course...... wait for the i4 or buy a TESLA .... |
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10-09-2020, 11:39 AM | #53 |
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yeah having the government regulate emissions for the people doesn't work. emissions globally still unchecked and you get a 40k bill to drive a more efficient car!
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10-09-2020, 11:48 AM | #54 |
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Yes that's what bmw international is for. Would never go to a dealer here for any BMW anyway
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How do you guys think the new C63 will do with its 2.0L 4 cylinder hybrid? Significantly higher sales in Europe compared to M3?
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On top of that the instant torque from the electric motor, this could be a very very serious car looking at the performance specs alone. It will probably depend on the size of the battery (=weight), but keeping in mind the EU regulations which only allow to treat it as a full plugin hybrid in the emmissions tests if it can reach a certain mileage it will not be a small battery (like I would wish, combining best of ICE and electric, like e.g. P1 or LaFerrari). Unlike the M3 the C63 never was a true drivers car, way too heavy with that V8, so the additional weight probably doesn't really matter. And the G8X isn't that lightweight either anymore... Personally, I like the hybrids - usually they hide their extra weight under the instant torque, so it basically feels like a "normalweight" car and it still allows you to drive emission free locally. And thanks to government incentives My loaded 745e costs as much as a lously specced 520d... Imagine getting a C63 for the price of a base C200. |
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WoW, this thread was pretty eye-opening; I had no idea the tax rate was this costly, in parts of Europe.. I honestly assumed the opposite, being that most are liberal leaning.. 🤷🏻
And I thought I had it bad here in the US at 8%.. I was thinking about becoming an online gospel pastor, just to be exempted paying sales tax, on my next car but seeing how proportionally lower it is to the ROW, I might just throw a bone at Uncle Sam and pay it.. |
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Just plain wrong. Let's look at Germany, which is above average in taxation. If you earn €135k you are in the highest tax bracket, you will pay €40.8k in taxes, €7.7k in pension (like your 401k I think), €1k in unemplyoment insurance, €4.4k in health insurance and €1k in care insurance. This means based on €135k gross income, the net income is €80k ($94k). But, you have free health insurace, no copay. You will be paid your full wage up to 12 months and after that 60% if you get sick. You get paid 60% of your last wage if you loose your job (up to 12 months). You will get €3.3k per month in pension (it's capped at 3.3k) once you retire. All that included in those measly 40% you pay, Just being in the hospital a single time would probably cost more in the US, not speaking about any major health problems where you rack up millions in medical debt - even though you have insurance. Compare that to the US, where you would have a take home salary of $132k, but you still need to pay health insurance (premium + deductible + out-of-pocket costs + copayments), 401k, unemployment insurance and everything else regarding social security. You will notice you get to a very similar available income very fast. Add to that the extremely high cost of living in urban areas and you will come out to less purchase power. There is no VAT on you income lol, you pay VAT on the product. So you're still at 94k of net income. Quote:
Property tax is actually less than in the US (on average). You don't pay for private healthcare, 90% have a public health insurance (the benefit of private insurance is, that it's cheaper when you're younger, but it get's much more expensive once you get older. Also, private health insurance might pay for non standard treatment. Public health insurance might not be availabel if you're self-employed) - which btw is not clogged up. In case of an emergency of course you will not sit around waiting for hours, care is taken of you based on priority. If you only have a small scratch - sure you'll probably have to wait, but if you have a serious incident you will be taken care of immediately. Getting a doctors appointment is usually just a waiting time of a couple days maybe 2 weeks - for anything non priority of course. If you're actually sick and need an appointment very soon you will get it in like the next 2 days (and if you need it right now, you can go to the ER). Everything I just mentioned of course without any copay. If you have a scratch somewhere - no extra costs. Broken arm - no extra costs. Diabetes - no extra costs. Giving birth - no extra costs. Cancer - no extra costs. Last edited by Flamingi; 10-10-2020 at 08:24 AM.. |
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@Flamingi very well put! Sometimes headlines and generalizations have a way of skewing the facts. But the benefits you get in the EU is phenomenal.
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157,000 Euros!!!! My word that is incredible, that tax is insane.
U.K. pricing is £75k base which is a lot but it has more features and I think that's on the road and about 1/2 the OPs price in France. Incredible. Brussels and VW dieselgate have a lot to answer for.
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The worst part isn't even the added tax; it's the ruining of the engine sound by muting the exhaust. So glad the US doesn't do this!
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