[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by KevinM

Not-so-random comments from a long-term M owner:

1. Gear Shift Assistant automatic rev-matching (can be disabled in iDrive). Wow, BMW actually listened to us.

2. I'm not one for engine eye-candy, but I'm surprised how much I think that cool F8X carbon strut brace is "missing." Not that any of my other M cars have this...I'm less surprised that this is not present than why BMW spent the money for the carbon brace in the F8X.

3. Glad to see the adjustable thigh extension is back in the base seats. I really like those in my M5 and Z4M coupe.

4. Although they would be overkill for my daily commute, those optional carbon sport seats certainly look the business.

5. I'm a die-hard MT guy, but it seems that finally BMW may have stepped up their game in terms of the Steptronic's paddles.

Think that speaks to the amount of stiffness from the G20 platform. I do miss it though

[xlover]

Originally Posted by John.K

Anybody?

US pricing for base competition (but not option pricing)is in the press release along with option structure , it's actually much less expensive than I expected. More standard content on the base car and more content shared between the base car and competition,
M3 69,9 base, 72,8 competition
M4 71,8 base, 74,7 competition

From the USA market press release:

The M3 Competition and M4 Competition add the following standard equipment:
• 503 hp / 479 lb-ft of torque engine tuning
• 19-inch / 20-inch Bi-color Jet Black alloy wheels
• 8-speed M Steptronic automatic transmission
• M Seat belts
• Extended Shadowline exterior trim

[Mii]

Originally Posted by FC05

Notice the black plastic bit on sedan rear wheel arch ?
What are those

New regulation, required by some insurance companies, as it prevents throwing stones/debris to windshield on the cars behind. It seems like an afterthought design on G80 M3, if BMW would just widen the rear fender a bit more to cover wider rear wheels.

[BMW335iOn18s]

Did anyone else hear Joe Achilles say it redlines at 7200 rpm, "a thousand rpm higher" than the S55???

Is he okay!?

[Dimitri]

My build: M3 Comp, BSM on Silverstone, Black wheels, carbon package and seats. Can't wait!

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by SoManyBlueCars

Think that speaks to the amount of stiffness from the G20 platform. I do miss it though

I'm sure the G platform is stiffer than the F platform. However, the F8X is the only M car I have ever had with an OE non-optional carbon fiber strut brace. I doubt my 2002 E39 or 2007 Z4M coupe have a more rigid platform than the F8X; the E39 has no factory brace (and data that the aftermarket ones are for eye candy rather than needed for structural rigidity) and the Z4M has a three-point steel brace like the G8X.

Who knows...more of personal surprise that I also "missed it" in these pictures.

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by KevinM

1. Gear Shift Assistant automatic rev-matching (can be disabled in iDrive). Wow, BMW actually listened to us.

Better than before, but...should be off by default, with a single button toggle in easy reach. All they really needed to do was ape Porsche, who did it exactly right from the start (years ago).

I actually use that button a lot: I normally drive with it off and do my own rev-matching, but if I'm having a bad day on the track or am coming up on something out on the road that I know is going to tax my sloppy heel-toe technique, it's right there when I need it. For the sake of comparison: going into iDrive makes it a really clumsy process...but as I pointed out before, I'm pretty sure the MT model was tacked on as an afterthought. This (certainly the G20 platform in general) was originally designed around the automatic.

Although they would be overkill for my daily commute, those optional carbon sport seats certainly look the business.

Agreed, aside from the stupid ball buster in the middle. WTF is that?

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Mii

After going through the photos from this thread thus far, my biggest disappointment is the performance, let alone any weight or CFRP optimization.

• Front and rear bump lines and design are not coherent
• Two indent area from the engine hood maybe problem for water and dust deposit
• No CFRP strut bar, instead with cheap looking metal welding bars
• No body color side skirt
• No body color front/rear bumper spoilers
• Floating rear brakes
• Glossy center console buttons (lack of premium matte or brush finish)
• Glossy interior carbon fiber trim (only M-Sport pack offered matte carbon fiber trim)
• Tacky M3/M4 decal on the center console
• Glossy side vent not a deeper inlet as part of front fender
• M3 mess up rear quarter panel and rear door gap transition with uneven door gaps
• Worsen fuel economy (Urban / Extra-Urban / Combined)

F8x M3/M4 Competition 444hp 0-60 3.8s
G8x M3/M4 Competition 510hp 0-60 3.8s

Really? What is this, same performance as previous generation yet with higher HP output? Was hoping it's a typo, but it's not!

We may expect more LCI variants from this G8x generation, starting with real facelift!

Isn't the 0-60 time for the F82 M4C listed at 4.0s? (4.1s for the M4 - 0.1s for the M4C = 4.0s)

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Isn't the 0-60 time for the F82 M4C listed at 4.0s? (4.1s for the M4 - 0.1s for the M4C = 4.0s)

Don't confuse 0-60mph vs 0-100km/h or 6MT vs DCT figures

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1214853

[akkando]

Originally Posted by BMW335iOn18s

Did anyone else hear Joe Achilles say it redlines at 7200 rpm, "a thousand rpm higher" than the S55???

Is he okay!?

Another video with a different youtuber said the same thing so it must be a line BMW is feeding them and something got lost in translation because it's down 400 rpm not up a 1000.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by solstice

For those thinking the M4 looks less attractive make sure to watch the Joe Achilles video in the other thread. Color and wheels make a huge difference.

I was surprised how different the blue M4 looked compared to the SPY..

[Germanauto]

So will this car have the M5 AWD system as standard or have the option for RWD only as well? I'm curious whether the quoted 3800-3900 lb curb weight in the specs is with the AWD system or not.

[Law]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

So will this car have the M5 AWD system as standard or have the option for RWD only as well? I'm curious whether the quoted 3800-3900 lb curb weight in the specs is with the AWD system or not.

Weight figures in the 3800-3900 lb range are for the RWD models available beginning March 2021.

• 3840 lbs (RWD manual M3) - manual transmission saves 50 lbs.
• 3890 lbs (RWD automatic M3)
• 3830 lbs (RWD manual M4) - manual transmission saves 50 lbs.
• 3880 lbs (RWD automatic M4)

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

Best guess: they don't have an MT in the parts bin that can handle the torque, and didn't want to invest in developing or sourcing one. So they dug up what they had and detuned the engine to make it work on the cheap.

The automatic is the real car and the one they expect (and want) to sell. It really just looks like the MT (base) version is an afterthought that they're probably just using to "prove" that they still build driver's cars for enthusiasts. I don't know why they bothered at all, because most real driving enthusiasts have bought the M2 or left the BMW brand entirely (me included; bought a Porsche this year after 17 years of exclusive BMW ownership and won't be going back).

My father also ditched BMW for Porsche after a 12 year love affair. Those cars were getting to old and costly to maintain, and while the M2 is fun it just doesn't offer the 4 door practicality you can get in a Porsche.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Law

Weight figures in the 3800-3900 lb range are for the RWD models available beginning March 2021.

• 3840 lbs (RWD manual M3) - manual transmission saves 50 lbs.
• 3890 lbs (RWD automatic M3)
• 3830 lbs (RWD manual M4) - manual transmission saves 50 lbs.
• 3880 lbs (RWD automatic M4)

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by MNR

Spot on sir.


They managed to add not 100lbs, not 300lbs, but 500lbs into a RWD platform of nearly the same car! I'm not trying to be a track rat and split hairs on weight but at 3,900lbs for RWD variants, what will the AWD variants be? Let's add 250lbs on top for the AWD system and that puts the G80 over TWO TONS at 4,150lbs. At that rate, you're roughly 100lbs away from an F90 which is a vastly superior car, in my opinion.

Its very much looking like, with AWD, this will surpass the curb weight of the E60 M5. Yes, a model from just 10 years ago.

At what point will BMW push the pause button on this? These cars keep getting longer, wider, heavier, and more powerful. There needs to be a limit.

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

My father also ditched BMW for Porsche after a 12 year love affair. Those cars were getting to old and costly to maintain, and while the M2 is fun it just doesn't offer the 4 door practicality you can get in a Porsche.

My heart feels the same...but Porsche pricing is out of control and with the C8 priced lower I hope they price the 718 more competitive with the M3/M4 pricing...ie 10k lower base MSRP.

I am struggling hard between G87 M2, Supra GRMN (if it gets S58 + DCT) and waiting in line for a GT4 PDK...

However, the S58 engine will be faster in a straight line due to the low end torque than any Porsche twice as expensive.

[John.K]

xlover thank you. Had missed the official press release. Bimmerpost should put the MSRP up on the front page.

Yes i do agree they are less than what I expected also.

Originally Posted by xlover

US pricing for base competition (but not option pricing)is in the press release along with option structure , it's actually much less expensive than I expected. More standard content on the base car and more content shared between the base car and competition,
M3 69,9 base, 72,8 competition
M4 71,8 base, 74,7 competition

From the USA market press release:

The M3 Competition and M4 Competition add the following standard equipment:
• 503 hp / 479 lb-ft of torque engine tuning
• 19-inch / 20-inch Bi-color Jet Black alloy wheels
• 8-speed M Steptronic automatic transmission
• M Seat belts
• Extended Shadowline exterior trim

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Avaley

My heart feels the same...but Porsche pricing is out of control and with the C8 priced lower I hope they price the 718 more competitive with the M3/M4 pricing...ie 10k lower base MSRP.

I am struggling hard between G87 M2, Supra GRMN (if it gets S58 + DCT) and waiting in line for a GT4 PDK...

However, the S58 engine will be faster in a straight line due to the low end torque than any Porsche twice as expensive.

You and I are in the same boat. Porsches just keep getting more and more expensive. I remember when the 981 came out around 2013 the MSRP on a reasonably equipped one wasn't bad. But now, the same car with a 4 banger (718) is priced astronomically. A Boxster S with premium pkg, PDK, and slightly upgraded wheels is like $87k.

That leaves the M2, Giulia QF, and Supra as the only more reasonably priced "premium" fun cars.

If only Porsche would produce a smaller version of the Panamera and price it like an A7/CLS...That would be the perfect car for me.

The 00s were the good old days. If you wanted a fun coupe BMW had the E82 1-series and E92 3-series. If you needed 4 doors and more luxury you had the E90 and E60. The E70 was the perfect family crossover that was engaging to drive at any speed. Even with the base engines these cars felt engineered in a league of their own. The 987 Boxster and 997 911 weren't unreasonably expensive either...

[John.K]

BMW335iOn18s I thought S55 redlined at 6250, no?

Edit: upon closer look, on M3CS, it redlines at 7600.

Originally Posted by BMW335iOn18s

Did anyone else hear Joe Achilles say it redlines at 7200 rpm, "a thousand rpm higher" than the S55???

Is he okay!?

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

You and I are in the same boat. Porsches just keep getting more and more expensive. I remember when the 981 came out around 2013 the MSRP on a reasonably equipped one wasn't bad. But now, the same car with a 4 banger (718) is priced astronomically. A Boxster S with premium pkg, PDK, and slightly upgraded wheels is like $87k.

That leaves the M2, Giulia QF, and Supra as the only more reasonably priced "premium" fun cars.

If only Porsche would produce a smaller version of the Panamera and price it like an A7/CLS...That would be the perfect car for me.

The 00s were the good old days. If you wanted a fun coupe BMW had the E82 1-series and E92 3-series. If you needed 4 doors and more luxury you had the E90 and E60. The E70 was the perfect family crossover that was engaging to drive at any speed. Even with the base engines these cars felt engineered in a league of their own. The 987 Boxster and 997 911 weren't unreasonably expensive either...

Silly that a turbo 4 costs that much when you can get a BMW turbo 4 for half as much....but i hear that China sales / new buyers means that model is around to stay.

"8-speed M Steptronic automatic transmission with Drivelogic:
Three automatic and three manual modes are available – comfort oriented, sporty and track focused
Manual mode downshifts to lowest gear possible by pulling the left steering wheel paddle while pressing down on the throttle"

RIP DCT....and now it seems that Porsche will be one of the few offering a true dual clutch transmission....

The transmission is the M8HP76, I wonder how this performs after the german magic, I would personally prefer a DCT, but i thought I would hate the ZF8 but have grown to like it...anyone have any insight into how the trans stacks up vs F8x DCT?

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by 3erMan

Courtesy of TheSpeedAddict over on Jalopnik:

Man this hit hard.