[skyline408]

Originally Posted by chris3g

i agree that it's not the same, but do you think that frozen paint maintains those unique qualities once you've also covered it with matte film? That was really more my point, that once you cover it it's going to look pretty much the same. But fully admitting i've only seen this in photos and could be wrong.

Depends on the ppf film. I choose stek dynomatt which maintains the frozen look.

I also had the car wrapped in stages. I had the front end and all doors done first. In this photo below, all the doors were wrapped in ppf, but not rear quarter panel or trunk. I've asked many people if they could see a difference--none did. The panels where ppf was applied even felt exactly like bare frozen paint.

[FISH22]

The frozen finish keeps things alive. Just adds a special feel to an already special car. Frozen is unlike any wrap or matte PPF. It has a dramatic sheen that can only be experienced in person and certain lighting conditions.

About 2 years now with my frozen white G80. It gets used daily and just hit 17k miles. It sits outside and sees all types of weather. Couldn’t be further from a garage queen. No PPF anywhere either. Besides a few small rock chips on the front end, the paint still looks new. I installed the Dr Beasley’s ceramic pro kit within a week of buying the car. It’s an expensive ceramic and has one of the highest hardness ratings (10h), and it has most definitely helped against staining. I won’t go into my anti-PPF rant, but frozen is an extremely tough finish. Frozen white also does an incredible job hiding any blemishes.

While matte specific soaps and detailers are important (Dr Beasley’s EVERYTHING), the most important piece to frozen ownership is the washing technique. Lots of foam and pre soaking, minimal touching, and minimal towel drying. I’ve seen too many frozen owners constantly quick detailing their cars, and that’s what could potentially add gloss, taking away from that gorgeous matte sheen. I have actually gone a month without washing, knowing it’s best to get everything clean in one swoop, rather than cleaning 1-2 times a week.

[skyline408]

It's probably my bad luck, but in the less than 2 months of ownership so far - with less than 1K miles and most driving just for pleasure, I got a scratch on the rear quarter (before PPF) This scratch, I think would have easily ben buffed out on a regular glossy finish, but on Frozen, I would have to look at it every day walking up to the car.

Also managed to hit a rock or something (never felt anything) and rip a hole on the front bumper. Luckily the front PPF on the bumper is somewhat modular, so the installer was able to take off, and put a new piece.

I have not doubt that folks like FISH22 have had no issues with bare Frozen paint, but for me, I rather pay to have it protected. And as mentioned earlier, I would never pay for full PPF on a regular glossy car because I don't see the value in it.

[skyline408]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

I have it on the CSL, seems to be very easy to care for, just use a Dr Beasley's matte waterless wash and wipe the car down with microfiber towels. I didn't get it PPF'd and its holding up great.

But it is something you should wipe all the bugs/bird poop/etc off the car immediately after driving.

BTW: PPFing a frozen car changes the finish quite drastically. See the chris harris video where he only did a "Clear bra" on the PPF of the car.

I didn't PPF my CSL and i get lots of compliments from random people that no nothing about cars "is that wrapped? cause it looks different then any matte wrap i've ever seen". And thats cause its not wrapped. Frozen Brooklyn Grey looks vastly different than wrapped frozen brooklyn grey IMO.

I'm not a guarentee to PPF my Frozen Pure White CS either, cause my fear is, you will turn a uniquely painted BMW white into something that looks like a wrapped AW car. Why spend 133k on a CS to make it look like an AW matte wrapped M3 just cause i'm worried i might get a scratch.

His car looks absolutely terrible and not sure what film he has, but that has not been my experience using Stek Dynomatt film. You absolutely cannot see the difference between bare frozen paint, and one that is protected with ppf.

This video decribes better how stek dynomatt does not alter the way Frozen paint looks.

[FISH22]

Originally Posted by skyline408

It's probably my bad luck, but in the less than 2 months of ownership so far - with less than 1K miles and most driving just for pleasure, I got a scratch on the rear quarter (before PPF) This scratch, I think would have easily ben buffed out on a regular glossy finish, but on Frozen, I would have to look at it every day walking up to the car.

Also managed to hit a rock or something (never felt anything) and rip a hole on the front bumper. Luckily the front PPF on the bumper is somewhat modular, so the installer was able to take off, and put a new piece.

I have not doubt that folks like FISH22 have had no issues with bare Frozen paint, but for me, I rather pay to have it protected. And as mentioned earlier, I would never pay for full PPF on a regular glossy car because I don't see the value in it.

That’s really unfortunate. I think my area has helped with my success in frozen ownership. As in road conditions in southeast Virginia.

[Jamal82]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

I have it on the CSL, seems to be very easy to care for, just use a Dr Beasley's matte waterless wash and wipe the car down with microfiber towels. I didn't get it PPF'd and its holding up great.

But it is something you should wipe all the bugs/bird poop/etc off the car immediately after driving.

BTW: PPFing a frozen car changes the finish quite drastically. See the chris harris video where he only did a "Clear bra" on the PPF of the car.

I didn't PPF my CSL and i get lots of compliments from random people that no nothing about cars "is that wrapped? cause it looks different then any matte wrap i've ever seen". And thats cause its not wrapped. Frozen Brooklyn Grey looks vastly different than wrapped frozen brooklyn grey IMO.

I'm not a guarentee to PPF my Frozen Pure White CS either, cause my fear is, you will turn a uniquely painted BMW white into something that looks like a wrapped AW car. Why spend 133k on a CS to make it look like an AW matte wrapped M3 just cause i'm worried i might get a scratch.

Fully agree - all this modern and stupid ppf-talk makes me crazy and please M friends stop making everyone nervous if not ppfed.... these are cars (M cars even more so) and meant to be used like cars... do not waste your money on such stupid stuff but rather enjoy a real M car

apart from that: no one, absolutely no one, knows the long time effect of ppf - paint must breath and I cannot imagine it is super "healthy" to cover it for such long time periods...

be it as it be, everyone should do what he wants , me personally enjoying the CSL like it is meant to be enjoyed and not caring about any fu..ing stone chips or whatever, cheers guys

[maelfyn]

I was considering getting a full PPF wrap, but I ultimately decided against it. I felt that I was attempting to deny inevitability. Eventually, you're going to get scrapes, dents, and imperfections on a car. It's my daily driver and I have accepted that my car does not belong in a museum. The scratches and scrapes on my car remind me of my own mortality. Nothing in this realm is forever. That said, I love my frozen portimao blue paint. I am approaching 4k miles and I think it's a uniquely beautiful paint color. It doesn't get as much attention is IOMG or yellow, but I feel that it fits my style the best. I don't need attention anyway.

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by Jamal82

Fully agree - all this modern and stupid ppf-talk makes me crazy and please M friends stop making everyone nervous if not ppfed.... these are cars (M cars even more so) and meant to be used like cars... do not waste your money on such stupid stuff but rather enjoy a real M car

apart from that: no one, absolutely no one, knows the long time effect of ppf - paint must breath and I cannot imagine it is super "healthy" to cover it for such long time periods...

be it as it be, everyone should do what he wants , me personally enjoying the CSL like it is meant to be enjoyed and not caring about any fu..ing stone chips or whatever, cheers guys

PFF is a breathable film. It also does not form a chemical bond with paint.

[Forzanerazzurri]

To each their own. Canadian winters are an absolute warzone for cars. I couldn't imagine buying a 6 figure car and not putting PPF on at least the front, especially on a frozen car. Winter here without PPF is akin to letting a couple kids grab a few handfuls of pea gravel and hucking it at the front of your car as hard as they can once a day for 6 months.

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

To each their own. Canadian winters are an absolute warzone for cars. I couldn't imagine buying a 6 figure car and not putting PPF on at least the front, especially on a frozen car. Winter here without PPF is akin to letting a couple kids grab a few handfuls of pea gravel and hucking it at the front of your car as hard as they can once a day for 6 months.

Akin to a 7 year old ramming their bike in your splitter....thank you for that.

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

Akin to a 7 year old ramming their bike in your splitter....thank you for that.

Well that would be an easy warranty claim.

[skyline408]

Originally Posted by maelfyn

I was considering getting a full PPF wrap, but I ultimately decided against it. I felt that I was attempting to deny inevitability. Eventually, you're going to get scrapes, dents, and imperfections on a car. It's my daily driver and I have accepted that my car does not belong in a museum. The scratches and scrapes on my car remind me of my own mortality. Nothing in this realm is forever. That said, I love my frozen portimao blue paint. I am approaching 4k miles and I think it's a uniquely beautiful paint color. It doesn't get as much attention is IOMG or yellow, but I feel that it fits my style the best. I don't need attention anyway.

That's a great perspective and I wish I could program my brain to think like that!

That said, knowing how OCD I am/was - I would probably pass on Frozen myself in the future - just to save the heartache of scratches and damages.

Funny thing is, the less I care about a car, the less damage is likely to occur.

[element56]

no regrets at all

[Stevy_G]

First matte color was grey on my GT3 which was wrapped. Changed to matte red/white once but now is back to original red.

Second matte colored car is 500e in grey which is painted. No wrap/ppf on that car.

And now the CSL in FBG which is fully XPEL wrapped for protection reasons.

I guess I will „need“ another frozen color except grey in the future.

No regrets on either car/color. Never had any issues on maintaining the colors.

[wavyyyy]

I regret not going frozen lol

[DO444]

Originally Posted by Kminor2578

No regrets, from a maintenance standpoint. Only thing is scratches. For instance, a tool feel off my garage wall and clipped the rear fender and took some paint with it. $1500 dollars to fix a scratch 1/4” large. But I would still order frozen again. The look is totally worth the anxiety

I do wonder why though?
Why not just get a stealth ppf/wrap?

It looks very similar to me.
If something goes wrong, just replace the ppf section, rather than deal with the paint.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by static_void

The only "regret" I have is the cost of PPFing the entire car, but the peace of mind was worth it. The car gets a stupid amount of attention and comments on the road or at car meets due to the paint. The number one question I get asked, by far, is, "Who did this wrap?"

Would I do Frozen paint again? Probably, as long as I kept in mind the cost of PPF. It wasn't cheap.

It’s not cheap, true… but now I don’t worry in the least when I drive. I have not a care in the world, and that feeling is worth the $7k, to me.

Also, with minimal fuss the car is permanently shiny.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

To each their own. Canadian winters are an absolute warzone for cars. I couldn't imagine buying a 6 figure car and not putting PPF on at least the front, especially on a frozen car. Winter here without PPF is akin to letting a couple kids grab a few handfuls of pea gravel and hucking it at the front of your car as hard as they can once a day for 6 months.

I feel the same
I think it depends on how long you want to keep your g80.

I’m keeping mine for at least 10yr.

I want it to shine forever like the day I bought it. Ppf/ceramic achieves that. Not saying I like the cost… but shit is expensive these days, a friggin sweater is $400.

[bartman1980]

Originally Posted by GScott

I have read all the threads and know everything involved in maintenance, repair, etc… What I want to know is does anyone who purchased frozen paint regret their decision? I’m not interested in doing a matte wrap so please no responses from non-owners.

To be honest , keep away from it all times. The paint quality and strength is worth nothing. 5k extra on price , they should give you discount . Maintenance is ok, but scratches appears within a couple of thousands of miles. I have bought one , a frozen grey and if I would know on forehand … the only frozen I have bought , next time a glossy one again , much stronger surface.

[samuraifuria]

Originally Posted by bartman1980

To be honest , keep away from it all times. The paint quality and strength is worth nothing. 5k extra on price , they should give you discount . Maintenance is ok, but scratches appears within a couple of thousands of miles. I have bought one , a frozen grey and if I would know on forehand … the only frozen I have bought , next time a glossy one again , much stronger surface.

ok ,Bartman ... -.-

[forcefed]

Originally Posted by BmwFanBoy94

If your keeping it long enough to be worried about minor defections just PPF the whole thing.

Why not just get regular paint and put matte ppf on it then?

[M4ROLLIN20]

Oh HELL NO