[TKT2SPEED]

Originally Posted by M 4 Doctor

Is more power made with full e85, or in a mix like e50 or e60?

You will make more power on Full e85. You will be able to run cleaner and more timing big if is as long as you can supply the fuel to the engine. To do a max effort full E tune you need Port Injection and a Motive Reflex.

On a stock fuel system best results are found around E60 as that's about the max ceiling for the fuel system on a max effort tune.

Don't forget as well.... cold weather will play apart as to when your stock fuel system headroom falls off. You conceivably can be fast in warm weather and then start to have fuel headroom issues when the da drops.
Max effort tune on stock Direct Injection is playing with Fire IMO . I would be conservative add the port Injection and reflex control so not to worry when pushing the envelope.

I have always had excellent results and Excellent support from Paul Johnson

[BulkBen]

Originally Posted by TKT2SPEED

You will make more power on Full e85. You will be able to run cleaner and more timing big if is as long as you can supply the fuel to the engine. To do a max effort full E tune you need Port Injection and a Motive Reflex.

On a stock fuel system best results are found around E60 as that's about the max ceiling for the fuel system on a max effort tune.

Don't forget as well.... cold weather will play apart as to when your stock fuel system headroom falls off. You conceivably can be fast in warm weather and then start to have fuel headroom issues when the da drops.
Max effort tune on stock Direct Injection is playing with Fire IMO . I would be conservative add the port Injection and reflex control so not to worry when pushing the envelope.

I have always had excellent results and Excellent support from Paul Johnson

Can you explain how port injection helps supply more fuel when utilising the stock fuel pumps?

This part confuses me. Makes total sense if running an ancillary pump, but surely if you just hook up port injection to the stock fuel system what you gain at the manifold, you lose at the injectors (less fuel there).

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by StockM4

Anyone have any stock turbo 60-130 times to show?

HCP.CH 5.49s
Rick_Mlife G80Paul 5.55s
HCP.Brasil 5.67s
Mcc420 HCP US 5.70s (Canada Record Holder)
rmeitz167 OrlandoAUTOwerks 5.80s
To name some

[rmeitz167]

Originally Posted by FSociety

HCP.CH 5.49s
Rick_Mlife G80Paul 5.55s
HCP.Brasil 5.67s
Mcc420 HCP US 5.70s (Canada Record Holder)
rmeitz167 OrlandoAUTOwerks 5.96s

To name some

Hoping to go wayyyy down once my rk manifold comes and i go to port injection.

[SigmaShift]

Is the tuner handling the unlock for you as well? Meaning are they sending the dme to femto, or are you all sending it to femto directly, or is there some other service handling this?

[Neophyte]

Originally Posted by SigmaShift

Is the tuner handling the unlock for you as well? Meaning are they sending the dme to femto, or are you all sending it to femto directly, or is there some other service handling this?

You can do it directly with FEMTO. If you can remove the ECU, you did the hardest part.

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by SigmaShift

Is the tuner handling the unlock for you as well? Meaning are they sending the dme to femto, or are you all sending it to femto directly, or is there some other service handling this?

If you're in Pittsburgh contact @LehighValleyMotors or rmeitz167

I know @OrlandoAUTOwerks and @TristateBM3 are helping a lot of ppl in different states.

[TKT2SPEED]

Originally Posted by BulkBen

Can you explain how port injection helps supply more fuel when utilising the stock fuel pumps?

This part confuses me. Makes total sense if running an ancillary pump, but surely if you just hook up port injection to the stock fuel system what you gain at the manifold, you lose at the injectors (less fuel there).

The stock fuel pump has more volume than is needed by the direct injector's (ie factory System). your fuel system has a return line and most of your fuel is being routed back to the tank in stock form. Adding the port injection into the system just increases the length of your fuel system as it goes inline with your factory fuel system and will only be operated when told to do so by the Motiv fuel controller. Your factory fuel pump has the ability to supply more or less volume as needed. I'm pretty sure its a brushless pump.

Adding a secondary pump that comes on via a Hobbs switch or controlled thru the Motiv Pi controller will be necessary at a certain HP level especially on E85.

I honestly don't know the ceiling for for the factory pump but I know people are going 9's on full e85 with port injection and factory fuel pump so at least 700 to 750 whp.

My guess would be anymore that that and you would need an additional pump but maybe someone that's pushing those numbers can chime in.

[YanoM5]

I’ve used UtkuNoahperformance on my F90 and G80

Fastest I got full interior oem wheels on my 22 G80 FBO with stock exhaust on e40 is 60-130 5.86 and 1/4 9.98 @139mph.

[jeegunkim]

I'd go with F80 Paul, only because he actually owns a G80 now, which would give me more peace of mind.

[M2_MEDUSA]

I've seen F80 paul being the one to keep breaking records

[MTWO]

Paul for me as well. Jordan is a close second

[Sales@RKautowerks]

I'd go with Utku at UNP, he tunes all our shop cars. G80 fastest in the world and F90 right up there as well.

g80: 9.4 1/4 and 4.4 60-130
f90: 9.5 1/4 and 4.5 60-130

-R

[M2_MEDUSA]

Originally Posted by Sales@RKautowerks

I'd go with Utku at UNP, he tunes all our shop cars. G80 fastest in the world and F90 right up there as well.

g80: 9.4 1/4 and 4.4 60-130
f90: 9.5 1/4 and 4.5 60-130

-R

Can I ask why you went with them over other tuners in the beggining instead of choosing other well known tuners? Im just trying to get more info as all i see is the same tuners being recommended. Which is why i went with F80 Paul. Please share your story with Utku at UNP. Could help others and myself

[Dabeamerking]

Jordan blows motors

[belittle]

Keep in mind, all of the 'big numbers' are guys in low low DA scenarios. There is a reason they post draggy slips cropped and are all posted around this time of year. When your near the coast and get -1400ft DA at 3am in the morning and it's 28F, of course your going to BrEaK REcOrds.

If your real life and don't live in a coastal area, your car will get close but won't get those numbers. I paid one of the big two tuners to tune my 16 M4 for a full E85. My DA is always at 4.5k or higher unless it's Dec or Jan and 1st revision was a balls to the walls misfire tune. Took 6 revisions to get it to not misfire, left me pretty sour at the whole experience. They blamed my plugs, boost leaks, etc. Ended up being the tune running out of fuel for my DA.

Ended up throwing that tune away and went with https://abperformance.co/ . Avtandil has tuned my 16 M4 (Rare fueling combo at the time of M5 injectors w/ spool FX150 HPFP), my old 2020 X3M on E50 and now my M4CX. X3M's best was a 10.6 (draggy) at 3k DA and recently my G82 M4 a 10.5 at the track w/ a 4.3k DA (ECU was 1 day old from getting back from Finland so I blame my driving and not knowing how to launch the car, will go much faster)

[Sales@RKautowerks]

Originally Posted by M2_MEDUSA

Can I ask why you went with them over other tuners in the beggining instead of choosing other well known tuners? Im just trying to get more info as all i see is the same tuners being recommended. Which is why i went with F80 Paul. Please share your story with Utku at UNP. Could help others and myself

Ive been working with utku for 2-3 years now. He is very responsive, priced fairly, understands large projects, and gets it done. His results speak for himself with just our cars. The other guys don't want to mess with custom projects or spend the time utku will. We've done 20-30 revisions in a night before and he's never hesitated.

The stage 1/2 projects are cake walk because we've developed tunes for those already.

Thanks
-R

[Sales@RKautowerks]

Originally Posted by belittle

Keep in mind, all of the 'big numbers' are guys in low low DA scenarios. There is a reason they post draggy slips cropped and are all posted around this time of year. When your near the coast and get -1400ft DA at 3am in the morning and it's 28F, of course your going to BrEaK REcOrds.

If your real life and don't live in a coastal area, your car will get close but won't get those numbers. I paid one of the big two tuners to tune my 16 M4 for a full E85. My DA is always at 4.5k or higher unless it's Dec or Jan and 1st revision was a balls to the walls misfire tune. Took 6 revisions to get it to not misfire, left me pretty sour at the whole experience. They blamed my plugs, boost leaks, etc. Ended up being the tune running out of fuel for my DA.

Ended up throwing that tune away and went with https://abperformance.co/ . Avtandil has tuned my 16 M4 (Rare fueling combo at the time of M5 injectors w/ spool FX150 HPFP), my old 2020 X3M on E50 and now my M4CX. X3M's best was a 10.6 (draggy) at 3k DA and recently my G82 M4 a 10.5 at the track w/ a 4.3k DA (ECU was 1 day old from getting back from Finland so I blame my driving and not knowing how to launch the car, will go much faster)

Ironic your post starts with "big numbers," "low DA," and "rEcOrDs."

Then ends with ABP who only post dynojet "big numbers" in "low DA"


I must be missing something here.

-R

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by Sales@RKautowerks

Ironic your post starts with "big numbers," "low DA," and "rEcOrDs."

Then ends with ABP who only post dynojet "big numbers" in "low DA"


I must be missing something here.

-R

What you're missing is that Tony Vargas x F80Paul were holding the 9.44 1/4 mile record for months on a stock motor/stock trans while your car has every thing built and only did 9.42

What you're missing is that ABP holds the F90 North America 1/4 mile record at 9.3 and they started only this year on this build while yours started in 2019.

Just a few things you're missing not much

[Sales@RKautowerks]

Originally Posted by FSociety

What you're missing is that Tony Vargas x F80Paul were holding the 9.44 1/4 mile record for months on a stock motor/stock trans while your car has every thing built and only did 9.42

What you're missing is that ABP holds the F90 North America 1/4 mile record at 9.3 and they started only this year on this build while yours started in 2019.

Just a few things you're missing not much

We ran our times 2 years ago without XHP. If you'd spend a minute and look at the differences you'd know this.

If you're going to bring tony's time up, then you can share how we didn't even launch our car, and braked hard at the end, yet still broke it.

my car "only" does a 150+ trap and "only" runs 4.4 60-130 over and over.

But we won't talk about that because that doesn't fit your agenda.


-R

[M2_MEDUSA]

Originally Posted by belittle

Keep in mind, all of the 'big numbers' are guys in low low DA scenarios. There is a reason they post draggy slips cropped and are all posted around this time of year. When your near the coast and get -1400ft DA at 3am in the morning and it's 28F, of course your going to BrEaK REcOrds.

If your real life and don't live in a coastal area, your car will get close but won't get those numbers. I paid one of the big two tuners to tune my 16 M4 for a full E85. My DA is always at 4.5k or higher unless it's Dec or Jan and 1st revision was a balls to the walls misfire tune. Took 6 revisions to get it to not misfire, left me pretty sour at the whole experience. They blamed my plugs, boost leaks, etc. Ended up being the tune running out of fuel for my DA.

Ended up throwing that tune away and went with https://abperformance.co/ . Avtandil has tuned my 16 M4 (Rare fueling combo at the time of M5 injectors w/ spool FX150 HPFP), my old 2020 X3M on E50 and now my M4CX. X3M's best was a 10.6 (draggy) at 3k DA and recently my G82 M4 a 10.5 at the track w/ a 4.3k DA (ECU was 1 day old from getting back from Finland so I blame my driving and not knowing how to launch the car, will go much faster)

I dont live near the coast and I get -1400 DA.

[M2_MEDUSA]

Originally Posted by Dabeamerking

Jordan blows motors

Jordan doesnt blow motors, Users blow motors by asking for him to go beyond what he normally does saying " I know the risks " Then blame him. Cary has a bunch of blown motors in hiss arsenal also. Some people get tunes not even knowing what a misfire is. Everyone I know locally who has F80 paul is just fine, everyone I know that has Cary is just fine, Each of them have tuned many cars that blew their motor.

However nowadays their tunes are basically spot on. They figured this shit out long time ago