[BIGW0RM]

I will never rock center locks again. EVER. I made that mistake on a 911 GTS. What a nightmare that was. Aftermarket wheels costs were 10-12K. Road trips where scary since no gas station in the middle of nowhere has the tools to remove them. Changing them at home required expensive tools. No thanks. Never again. No way in hell.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

I will never rock center locks again. EVER. I made that mistake on a 911 GTS. What a nightmare that was. Aftermarket wheels costs were 10-12K. Road trips where scary since no gas station in the middle of nowhere has the tools to remove them. Changing them at home required expensive tools. No thanks. Never again. No way in hell.

Much better in most cases to go for a stud conversion.

I can't see it being faster or lighter than having studs. It definitely isn't cheaper.

But, it's not my money, it's only my opinion.
My opinion is about as worthless as the next guy.

[Needsdecaf]

Look, yes, it's a flex but so is a $3k carbon intake that you don't see unless you open the hood. Titanium exhaust...flex. Engine bay dress up...flex. And on and on.

I'm not going to tell anyone how to spend their money dressing their car up. Just be aware of the drawbacks and don't pretend it's giving you any performance advantage.

[Nick-ACNB]

No matter what people think on the matter of usefulness or gains, can we all agree that you are only allowed to have CL's on your car if you have CCB's, unlike the M2 in the pictures? :

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

This...... Bragging rights is all it is and $12k Euros for the right.

No functional use at all for the street and marginal even for the track. You are limited in wheel choice too.

I can find a bunch of other upgrade north of $12k that would be more fun.

Bragging to who? The Civic drivers? With the minimum weight difference, I would think BMW owners and other people would be laughing at you. Not praising you. Lol. But hey, I spend almost 20 grand on wheels and PPF so do what you want I’m just glad they are not BBS wheels. If I never see another M car on BBS wheels, I will be a happy person.

[cbertels]

Those CLs seem like mixed messaging next to that tiny rear caliper.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by forcefed

Go buy these for your car then, we'll wait.

Count on it. I’ve been eagerly awaiting the ability to. I even delayed ordering a car so I could order this setup.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by KiloCo

Reduction in Wheel Theft.

This is a big one for me as I park in a common lot. CL wheels are the only really expensive wheels I’d dare spec because conventional style would surely be stolen in the (NYC) area where I live.

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by cbertels

Those CLs seem like mixed messaging next to that tiny rear caliper.

+1 on that.

Hey BMW, how about a track worthy rear BBK so we can stop the laughs from your puny ones?

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by forcefed

Ok so utterly pointless confirmed.

21.1 kg 19" forged center lock front wheel + tire
22.7 kg 19" forged m3 front wheel + tire (just measured mine)
24.1 kg 19" cast m2 front wheel + tire

334 grams stock lug bolts
1350 grams center lock

22.45 kg 19" forged center lock front wheel + center lock
23.00 kg 19" forged m3 wheel + lug bolts
24.40 kg 19" cast m2 wheels + lug bolts

So 2 kilo savings for m2 owners or 550 gram saving for m3 owners... how much are these again? You're better off buying lighter aftermarket forged wheels or even carbon fiber ones than this center lock crap.
And they didn't even weigh the actual hub, which will probably be heavier than a stock one.

Even if we suspend disbelief and assume accuracy, you need to realize we’re not talking about static weight savings. This is rotational weight that is greatly amplified when in motion; additionally we’re discussing unsprung weight that is much more beneficial than saving sprung weight.

[Colinv6]

Complexities of removing them aside, I really don’t like the design of the nut. Should have been traditional blue and white for the roundel, or even the ///M logo.

This just looks a bit, Ali express to me.

[G30 B58]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Count on it. I’ve been eagerly awaiting the ability to. I even delayed ordering a car so I could order this setup.

Hey Siri, remind me about this post in 6 months.

You go Quad Vanos.

[forcefed]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Even if we suspend disbelief and assume accuracy, you need to realize we’re not talking about static weight savings. This is rotational weight that is greatly amplified when in motion; additionally we’re discussing unsprung weight that is much more beneficial than saving sprung weight.

The marketing folks really got to you it seems, i have some magical beans to sell if you're interested

[TractionControlDelete]

Originally Posted by G30 B58

Hey Siri, remind me about this post in 6 minths.

You go Quad Vanos.

Originally Posted by forcefed

The marketing folks really got to you it seems, i have some magical beans to sell if you're interested

Can’t wait to see how this develops

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Even if we suspend disbelief and assume accuracy, you need to realize we’re not talking about static weight savings. This is rotational weight that is greatly amplified when in motion; additionally we’re discussing unsprung weight that is much more beneficial than saving sprung weight.

You should go back and take high school physics again. Rotational weight, lol, a negligible amount right near the center of mass.

[.Tranceparent.]

Originally Posted by chris719

You should go back and take high school physics again. Rotational weight, lol, a negligible amount right near the center of mass.

There is no benefit of rotational weight savings at center of mass.

[idriveuscream]

While most on this thread are wasting valuable time debating the pros and cons of center locks, I have booked my flight to Europe and completed the home equity loan paperwork. I told my wife I need a few days away to plan a big surprise for her, and I just need her to "initial here and here and sign here." Guess who is going to be the returning hero when she see these babies on her car and I explain the rotating mass improvement! Winning...

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by idriveuscream

While most on this thread are wasting valuable time debating the pros and cons of center locks, I have booked my flight to Europe and completed the home equity loan paperwork. I told my wife I need a few days away to plan a big surprise for her, and I just need her to "initial here and here and sign here." Guess who is going to be the returning hero when she see these babies on her car and I explain the rotating mass improvement! Winning...

I suggest you don’t bring up “rotating mass” to your wife or she might misunderstand you…

[03BeastCharmer]

Originally Posted by IsleOfMs

I swap wheels for trackdays. I’d love to go from 20 nuts to 4 (x2) each track event.

If the maintenance and time to change were the same that would be true. But when it takes 10x as long to remove and attach a CL than a 5 bolt, and the track required you to show proof of accurate torque every day, it is something I would actively avoid. 997 GT3 owners want the 5 lug conversion so bad. 991/992 GT3 just have greasy fingers and bad backs because of CL, and so far very few are buying the $5K tool. This is something motorsports can keep in it's current iteration. Not for the streets.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

This.

A stupid idea when P cars do it, and just as stupid when BMW does it.

Oh…and imagine the customer complaints! BMW customers are no longer really interested in motorsport. Unless it improves the grocery retrieving experience it’s a waste.

[stormlv]

Besides bragging rights, I really don't see why you wouldn't go for the much cheaper (and lighter than stock) 963M wheels?

I think they look absolutely amazing



I got mine for 5k the set including Michelin 4S* tires

These wheels alone are ~7.7lbs lighter than 826M stock wheels

[RichP]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Oh…and imagine the customer complaints! BMW customers are no longer really interested in motorsport. Unless it improves the grocery retrieving experience it’s a waste.

Its becoming more poser-sport all the time with some of these M choices. CL is a not meant for street cars, and it's not the best choice for the track unless you have the equipment and pit-crew.

Why does the car in this photo have the tow strap out? Are they planning on crashing?