[//steve\\]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

BMW has had staggered front and rear wheels on virtually all models since the E36 went that way in the 1996 with the OBD II version ..

I believe the comment is directed towards the fact it appears they have 19s up front and 20s in the rear. For this car it does seem very silly.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by advantage20

Staggered wheel setup on a classical sedan looks wrong, especially when the rear tire is razor thin to compensate for the larger rear wheel.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by //steve\\

I believe the comment is directed towards the fact it appears they have 19s up front and 20s in the rear. For this car it does seem very silly.

Well that's been going on since the M4 GTS.... and it WORKED... making the rear more planted.

FUNCTION OVER FORM ? …. or will your G80 only see the Cars and Coffee scene?

At any rate.. this is a cosmetic appearance decision that any owner can easily change.

[//steve\\]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Well that's been going on since the M4 GTS.... and it WORKED... making the rear more planted.

FUNCTION OVER FORM ? …. or will your G80 only see the Cars and Coffee scene?

Not saying it doesn't work and on a coupe it doesn't look so off. I just don't like the way it looks on the sedan body. Performance difference for 99% of drivers would not be noticeable.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Miko M

Ones you add inserts to the lower part you are also blocking the cooling

Not if it is a mesh or perforated in some way to allow air to pass through.

Another perhaps even simpler solution would be to black out parts of the lower portion of the bumper to make the lower part of the grill look like a more conventional intake. In fact, once pictures of the production car are available, I'll bet we see people create some mockups of different ideas.

In any case, we're not talking about a difficult modification. Its really just changing the shape and appearance of a hole in the front of the car. Like I say, if there is demand, the aftermarket will address it.

[advantage20]

Originally Posted by //steve\\

I can't imagine the front grill looks all that far off the current new 3 series.

It wears the 4er's headlights, so the front grille will look as far off the current 3 Series as the 4er's grille will

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by advantage20

Staggered wheel setup on a classical sedan looks wrong, especially when the rear tire is razor thin to compensate for the larger rear wheel.

Classical sedan?!?!?!? Since when has ANY M3 been classical?!?!

[farishat]

Fishmouth Grill is there, open wide :-)

[A6bullet]

Originally Posted by swagon

I want a 3,000-word essay from BMW engineers as to why the F87 Comp and G80 mufflers sit so damn low.

you and me both. We can probably start a petition.

[jb001]

Originally Posted by A6bullet

you and me both. We can probably start a petition.

To me it looks like they improved that issue. It looks less saggy

[advantage20]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Classical sedan?!?!?!? Since when has ANY M3 been classical?!?!

Since the very beginning, as it has never been anything else than an elegant, traditional, executive sedan or 2 door coupé on steroids, and as such looks best proportioned with a set of same diameter front and rear wheels. An exotic mid-engine supercar with a very forward cabin, on the other hand, such as a Zonda, might naturally lend itself to larger diameter rear wheels which transfer more visual weight to the back. Or even the latest 911. But these not only have a better suited profile for this visual trick, the whole rear wheel is larger, not just a larger rear rim + thinner rear tire setup which looks inadequate and defeats the purpose.

It doesn't look as bad on a slender 2 door coupé such as the M4, but an executive saloon or a boxy SUV are just designed to look best with same diameter front and rear wheels.



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[jb001]

Love the wheels, looks like they improved the exhaust over Fxx models. Less saggy. It 's a shame under the bonnet just an ocean of plastics. Simular like X3M
With those super sporty bucket seats we've seen in the past. Should be killer

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Classical sedan?!?!?!? Since when has ANY M3 been classical?!?!

This is what I think of when I read "classical sedan."

https://motor-junkie.com/14-best-cla...ns-60s/5177/3/

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by advantage20

Since the very beginning, as it has never been anything else than an elegant, traditional, executive sedan or 2 door coupé on steroids, and as such looks best proportioned with a set of same diameter front and rear wheels. An exotic mid-engine supercar with a very forward cabin, on the other hand, such as a Zonda, might naturally lend itself to larger diameter rear wheels which transfer more visual weight to the back. Or even the latest 911. But these not only have a better suited profile for this visual trick, the whole rear wheel is larger, not just a larger rim + thinner tire setup which just defeats the purpose.

It doesn't look as bad on a slender 2 door coupé such as the M4, but an executive saloon or a boxy SUV are just designed to look best with similarly sized front and rear wheels.

I guess we have very different definitions of what classical and elegant looks like, and there isn't really anything in BMW's line-up that fits that mold to me, especially not a car based on a mid-range 3/4 series that has been molded to be the exact opposite of classical and elegant.

[advantage20]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I guess we have very different definitions of what classical and elegant looks like, and there isn't really anything in BMW's line-up that fits that mold to me, especially not a car based on a mid-range 3/4 series that has been molded to be the exact opposite of classical and elegant.

Classical and elegant in the sense of the M3 having the same profile as a generic 320d, which was designed to look good while comfortably carrying people around with cabin room and a useful trunk, i.e. a conservative elegant sedan design in a user-friendly package (which has been the whole point of most M cars, at least up until now, being M versions of regular cars instead of standalone exotic supercars). Throwing in sportier bumpers, larger wheels and a few vents here and there does not fundamentally change the profile's proportions from 320d to M3, which is why an M3 profile looks great with large wheels indeed but preferrably same diameter

[SchwarzerReiter]

Why do all BMW's have a diaper these days? I mean the hanging exhaust bits that are so ghastly to look at.

[sikotic]

Originally Posted by bforbrian

I don't care what anyone thinks - I truly believe that the new M3 will NOT have the long, vertical grills.

Lol Sedan_Clan might need to add you to the list

[bmrm396]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Additional M3 colors:
Exterior: Frozen Brilliant White, Frozen Portimao Blue, Oxide Gray
Interior: Silverstone/Black

The wheels in the latest photos are likely not the production color, production wheels will be either bi-color or orbit gray.

LOVE LOVE those additions, finally something special and something good

[Ghostriderf80]

Front seems very high. Four finger gap. That is a big loose area of 4 fingers.

Wheels seem to look ok. Weird how front is concave.

It looks the wheel combo is not the best option for it.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by advantage20

Since the very beginning, as it has never been anything else than an elegant, traditional, executive sedan or 2 door coupé on steroids, and as such looks best proportioned with a set of same diameter front and rear wheels. An exotic mid-engine supercar with a very forward cabin, on the other hand, such as a Zonda, might naturally lend itself to larger diameter rear wheels which transfer more visual weight to the back. Or even the latest 911. But these not only have a better suited profile for this visual trick, the whole rear wheel is larger, not just a larger rear rim + thinner rear tire setup which looks inadequate and defeats the purpose.

It doesn't look as bad on a slender 2 door coupé such as the M4, but an executive saloon or a boxy SUV are just designed to look best with same diameter front and rear wheels.

[IMG]https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/A8...ompetition.jpg[/IMG]

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Sounds like a personal problem ...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by //steve\\

Not saying it doesn't work and on a coupe it doesn't look so off. I just don't like the way it looks on the sedan body. Performance difference for 99% of drivers would not be noticeable.

If that's the case. I'm happy BMW is making decisions on performance rather than looks, which can easily be modified or altered by the consumer.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

If that's the case. I'm happy BMW is making decisions on performance rather than looks, which can easily be modified or altered by the consumer.

I agree.

Even the black grilles would be hidden with a dark color choice, go look at a black Audi, you don’t even notice the grilles and they are ginormous. Cosmetics can be addressed in many ways, IMO.

The fact that BMW is making a 6MT sedan with bucket-seats and four doors >>> Any cosmetic issues.