[JTO24]

Originally Posted by blue dragon

Never realized so many M3 owners lived their lives a quarter mile at a time ��

I'm in a group chat with a few BMW folks (mostly M2 and M3 owners) and most of their discussion is around drag racing and straight-line speed... that's not really my cup of tea anymore (I prefer HPDE days and the twisty stuff) and would not be in an M car if straight-line speed was my main goal.

GT-R, TTS, RS3, etc. would all be better choices, IMO.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by dmk08

You're just hammering home the reason I mentioned GTR in the first place. Drag racing M3s is meh and there are much better platforms if that is your goal.

I could not agree more!!!!!!!! Don't buy this car to be the 1/4 mile killer

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I mentioned poor sales because nobody really cares about the GTR. In a BMW forum it seems like a waste of time to make comparisons a vehicle that nobody buys or cares about. The Porsche comparisons I get but GTR? Who cares?

Everyone shoots for the KING. That's why people compare it to the GTR

[TTHURACAN]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I mentioned poor sales because nobody really cares about the GTR. In a BMW forum it seems like a waste of time to make comparisons a vehicle that nobody buys or cares about. The Porsche comparisons I get but GTR? Who cares?

There goes a 600hp nismo GTR **who cares** let me catch up to that x3 and get some pics gotta show everyone...

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by TTHURACAN

There goes a 600hp nismo GTR **who cares** let me catch up to that x3 and get some pics gotta show everyone...

I'm not exactly sure what that means in context to this discussion. X3?

[Jacky Treehorn]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I'm not exactly sure what that means in context to this discussion. X3?

He lost me a long time ago when he started talking about 6 second 1/4 miles

[TTHURACAN]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

Everyone shoots for the KING. That's why people compare it to the GTR

How is that possible lol? Its a BMW, it is programmed to win at everything....especially the x3....

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I think this car will walk the F8X in the same way the F8X walked the E9X.

Absolutly not, the E9X had 295 ft lbs of torque, difference of around 200 ft lbs jumping to the F8X. To add, the E9X was down 75hp (we all know BMW under rated the F8X M3/4, its closer to 500 at the crank)

Also, the F8X lost weight coming from the E9X platform. The G80 is going in the opposite direction.

The G80 will only have 50 more hp and its adding another 500lbs. The numbers are just not there...

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

Absolutly not, the E9X had 295 ft lbs of torque. To add, it was down 75hp (we all know BMW under rated the F8X M3/4)

The G80 will only have 50 more hp and its adding another 500lbs. The numbers are just not there...

We'll see!

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

We'll see!

I wouldnt doubt its quicker than the F8X but it will not be by much that's for sure.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

I wouldnt doubt its quicker than the F8X but it will not be by much that's for sure.

So you assume BMW won't underrate the G8X despite that being the status quo?!?

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

So you assume BMW won't underrate the G8X despite that being the status quo?!?

They will underrate it, but the F8X is underrated as well. If you extrapolate the numbers it goes like this, although it could vary

F8X rated at 425, closer to 500
F8X comp rated at 450, closer to 525

G80 rated at 475, closer to 550?
G80 comp rated at 500, closer to 575?


Both inline 6's so these engines should mimic each other on the dyno but with the S58 putting out a little more power. Matter of fact, the S58 is already out in the XM series so maybe i should look into the power numbers!


EDIT: The S58 puts out 490 in Comp form, the S55 puts out 450whp in Comp form. Difference of about 50 crank HP just like i was saying. To conclude, i would be shocked if the new G80 in rwd form pulls more then a tenth or two better than the F8X in the 1/4 mile. The G80 will most likely improve in a number of ways, but straight line speed wont be one of them (for the rwd model).

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by Insomniaroy

In a straight line probably. But 1800 Kgs / 3970lbs .. I think it's fair to say this is not a track-oriented car anymore. Looking at some design elements , I believe the ///M(arketing) division is turning their focus to rich kids..

No, not even in a straight line. It'll be closer than what most people would probably think.

[M3AWD]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

They will underrate it, but the F8X is underrated as well. If you extrapolate the numbers it goes like this, although it could vary

F8X rated at 425, closer to 500
F8X comp rated at 450, closer to 525

G80 rated at 475, closer to 550?
G80 comp rated at 500, closer to 575?


Both inline 6's so these engines should mimic each other on the dyno but with the S58 putting out a little more power. Matter of fact, the S58 is already out in the XM series so maybe i should look into the power numbers!


EDIT: The S58 puts out 490 in Comp form, the S55 puts out 450whp in Comp form. Difference of about 50 crank HP just like i was saying. To conclude, i would be shocked if the new G80 in rwd form pulls more then a tenth or two better than the F8X in the 1/4 mile. The G80 will most likely improve in a number of ways, but straight line speed wont be one of them (for the rwd model).

What we still don't know is how good (if any) is the new launch control on the RWD G8X. BMW has been nailing it on AWD M cars recently but RWD is a different story.

You also mentioned 500 lbs difference between the F8X and G8X. I doubt the real life difference will be that high for an equally equipped RWD version. Many of us are patiently waiting.

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by M-SP0RT

What we still don't know is how good (if any) is the new launch control on the RWD G8X. BMW has been nailing it on AWD M cars recently but RWD is a different story.

You also mentioned 500 lbs difference between the F8X and G8X. I doubt the real life difference will be that high for an equally equipped RWD version. Many of us are patiently waiting.

I think you're missing the point here. The F8X lost weight, the G80 will be gaining weight from the previous platform. The G80 will have 50hp on the F8X but when we are talking 500+hp cars another 50hp really is not a significant amount, although it will give the advantage to the G80. Launch control is far easier to get right on an awd platform, no wonder why BMW is doing good in that realm. Launch control is likely to be better on the G80, but you're still playing with the good ole rwd traction limited launch so we'll see what they can do. Even if it launches a bit better, from a 20 roll the G80 will still struggle to pull on the F8X IMO

My point is, the G80 will likely improve on a number of things, straight line speed will not be one of them. Its likely that the Competition package F8X will pull on the non Comp G80 M3. Thats how close these cars will be.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by M-SP0RT

What we still don't know is how good (if any) is the new launch control on the RWD G8X. BMW has been nailing it on AWD M cars recently but RWD is a different story.

You also mentioned 500 lbs difference between the F8X and G8X. I doubt the real life difference will be that high for an equally equipped RWD version. Many of us are patiently waiting.

The ZF 8AT will allow for a much better launch than the 7DCT. The torque converter in the automatic helps tremendously with managing traction & getting a head start on spooling up the turbo compared to DCT which wants to suddenly engage the clutch with minimal slip.

I'm interested to see how the new suspension and tire setup compares in launches vs. the F80 especially when comparing manual vs manual transmission.

[M3AWD]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

I think you're missing the point here. The F8X lost weight, the G80 will be gaining weight from the previous platform. The G80 will have 50hp on the F8X but when we are talking 500+hp cars another 50hp really is not a significant amount, although it will give the advantage to the G80. Launch control is far easier to get right on an awd platform, no wonder why BMW is doing good in that realm. Launch control is likely to be better on the G80, but you're still playing with the good ole rwd traction limited launch so we'll see what they can do. Even if it launches a bit better, from a 20 roll the G80 will still struggle to pull on the F8X IMO

I'm not surprised the G8X gained weight vs. the F80 but I'm disappointed that it appears to have gained more weight than we all expected. I don't think it'll be close to +500 lbs like-for-like but even if it's +300 lbs that's a lot.

I didn't say the G8X RWD will smoke the F8X RWD in a roll race or even from a dig. I was saying it'll depend on how good its launch control is going to be. We'll have to wait for Matt Watson from Carwow to tell us "what exactly happened".

The AWD will gain more weight but launch control will give it much better quartermile times. From a roll I don't think it'll pull much, if any, on a stock F8X.

[M3AWD]

Originally Posted by Remonster

The ZF 8AT will allow for a much better launch than the 7DCT. The torque converter in the automatic helps tremendously with managing traction & getting a head start on spooling up the turbo compared to DCT which wants to suddenly engage the clutch with minimal slip.

I'm interested to see how the new suspension and tire setup compares in launches vs. the F80 especially when comparing manual vs manual transmission.

Good point on the ZF8 advantage

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by M-SP0RT

I'm not surprised the G8X gained weight vs. the F80 but I'm disappointed that it appears to have gained more weight than we all expected. I don't think it'll be close to +500 lbs like-for-like but even if it's +300 lbs that's a lot.

I didn't say the G8X RWD will smoke the F8X RWD in a roll race or even from a dig. I was saying it'll depend on how good its launch control is going to be. We'll have to wait for Matt Watson from Carwow to tell us "what exactly happened".

The AWD will gain more weight but launch control will give it much better quartermile times. From a roll I don't think it'll pull much, if any, on a stock F8X.

I think we can all agree on this, im disappointed as well to see where the next gen is going. Its almost like the M3/4 is turning into the M5 and the M2 is the new M3. Even the M2 is 3500+ lbs so for how small it is, its surely not light!

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by M-SP0RT

I'm not surprised the G8X gained weight vs. the F80 but I'm disappointed that it appears to have gained more weight than we all expected. I don't think it'll be close to +500 lbs like-for-like but even if it's +300 lbs that's a lot.

I didn't say the G8X RWD will smoke the F8X RWD in a roll race or even from a dig. I was saying it'll depend on how good its launch control is going to be. We'll have to wait for Matt Watson from Carwow to tell us "what exactly happened".

The AWD will gain more weight but launch control will give it much better quartermile times. From a roll I don't think it'll pull much, if any, on a stock F8X.

Let's just wait and see lol, way too much speculation going on here regrading performance against the F80. It's never wise to jump to conclusion lol. If G80 ends up out performing the F80, there will be yet another rant lol.

I too is disappointed regarding the weight since I wasn't expecting the G80 to weigh more than my RWD M340i. Also, would have preferred BMW to keep the DCT in the G80 versus utilizing the ZF8 since these things would have helped to distinguish the M3 from the G20 as well as add to its unique character.

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Let's just wait and see lol, way too much speculation going on here regrading performance against the F80. It's never wise to jump to conclusion lol. If G80 ends up out performing the F80, there will be yet another rant lol.

I too is disappointed regarding the weight since I wasn't expecting the G80 to weigh more than my RWD M340i. Also, would have preferred BMW to keep the DCT in the G80 versus utilizing the ZF8 since these things would have helped to distinguish the M3 from the G20 as well as add to its unique character.

Its not really speculation at this point, its mostly the factual data and analyzing the numbers. We know what this exact engine produces for power, we know the weight, and everything else falls into place. These estimations can vary slightly no doubt, but its extremely unlikely there will be something that'll flip this upside down.

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by JTO24

I'm in a group chat with a few BMW folks (mostly M2 and M3 owners) and most of their discussion is around drag racing and straight-line speed... that's not really my cup of tea anymore (I prefer HPDE days and the twisty stuff) and would not be in an M car if straight-line speed was my main goal.

GT-R, TTS, RS3, etc. would all be better choices, IMO.

First of all, the GTR is in a different class, you rarely see cross shoppers for a M3 vs a GTR. The GTR is rough, loud and has no back seats (realistically speaking) and its interior is trash.

BMW guys just want it all, they do want the straight line speed. They also want the luxury card, the twisty card, and perhaps the biggest of all, the name. you can be seen in a dodge challenger but wheres the name in that picture. Where is the twisty in Dodge? Its non existent, the BMW guys DO care about straight line speed, its one of the most intoxicating feelings and its pretty alpha male to be faster than all your buddies in their peasant Ford/Dodge muscle cars.

The TTS and RS3 are nice, but are not faster, they just launch harder with the AWD producing better 1/4 mile times. My point is, for the money the S55 is a solid performer for straight line speed compared to other vehicles out there if you still want a good all around practical car. A M5/RS7 etc. would be better but those outclass a M2 and cost more.