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If that statement were true, they could build a 5000lbs coupe and just put in a 500hp engine in it and it'll still drive like a E46 M3. But I agree let's make a decision when customers drive it, not reviewers, cause they are never an accurate judge. The reviewers raved about the F90 M5 and we all know how that turned out. |
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bmw made major investements in cf manufacuring as demonstrated by I8 and I3. It would have been great if they passed some of that tech and material engineering into their iconic product. The weight and choice of auto xmsn shows they were on the mission to cut cost and hope the customers would only look at hp and seat design. The car is absolutely huge and heavy. We will see if there is any driver feedback when reviews get published. My expectation was a car that is lighter than f80. I have no interest even in checking it out no matter the performance on paper. Even E90 had weight issues and this new one will be much havier yet. Trully disappinting! |
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Absolutely no one should be surprised by this, disappointed, yes but not surprised. Last edited by solstice; 09-26-2020 at 01:53 PM.. |
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Valid concern for sure. Maybe M goes after the mini next to fill the gap...
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Edit - my mistake. That was for the Countryman. Clubman is 3450lbs.
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Actually, the 6MT has apparently seen major changes (though die-hard track people probably won't appreciate them much), see the posts from Lemetier in https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...1750591&page=1 - mostly pages 1 and 2 and especially https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...4&postcount=35 It's not clear whether that all goes into the M3/M4 from launch but they clearly did some R&D on the 6MT. |
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Oops my mistake. That was for the Countryman J W not the Clubman JCW. I keep getting the names mixed up. Clubman is only 3450 lbs. not bad. Still not a fan of FWD.
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I also prefer the 9 speed AMG transmission over the M 8 speed. 9 speed almost feels and shifts like DCT. 8 speed units in M cars feel too pedestrian. And to all the people claiming how great DCT was in M3/M4, I beg to differ. They completely softened it via tuning. M4 CS was perfect imo.
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The Z4 M40 curb weigh is 3466-3501. The chassis is great and using the above weights its going to be 25-75lbs heavier.. I have a 2020 M2C MT n/roof and with some simple weight reduction items, I'm under 3400 lbs. When done if will be close to a 3300 lb street/track car. I've been tracking my cars for 30+ years.... BMW is working real hard to lose its pure enthusiast base. The new M3/M4 is a good example of that. Weight is inexcusable, overall size of the car now makes it more a "GT" than a nimble fun sports car. I owned both an E36 & E46 M3 and the latest car is huge compared to them.. And the snout of the new car is beyond FUGLY. I'd either grab a 2021 F87 M2, or 2020 CS, or wait for the G87 platform to arrive a year + from now. BTW if anyone is looking for a M2 CS allocation I have one left at my dealership here in S NH. PM if interested...
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If weight is such an issue, get the M2 which is more like the previous M cars of the past.
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Because some us need 4 doors, so the M2 isn't an option.
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