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EVs are perfect commute cars for most people, and most people buy cars as commuters.
If you track your car regularly, sure you stick with a M2 it might be the last great BMW. Fact is no one can fullfill any of that for you with EV, not even BMW. However, many of us are interested in a Tesla as a safe commuter car that is also fun. Also, I doubt you would rather look at a Corolla, cause you obviously looked at the Model X crashed 5 times. At least Tesla provided you Joy and laughter right? Tesla is not so bad. |
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03-02-2019, 07:43 PM | #112 |
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As I was wringing out my E92 M3 today, keeping revs consistently >4k, and hearing the wailing scream rise to 8000+ rpms after letting the rear hang out, I thought about Tesla. I thought about how there is no way in hell I could enjoy a Tesla as much as this, regardless of it being the faster car.
I'll take the turbo 6 for my next car. I need the sound and feel to enjoy my car. Speed only matters to a point for me. |
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03-05-2019, 02:33 PM | #113 |
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I have no problem with electric vehicles. In fact, I think they are the future. However, if everything was about straight line speed and acceleration, then we would all be driving Hellcats and not M3's.
So while EV's have their place, I personally don't like Tesla for two reasons: 1. The build quality is lacking. And that can mean many things for different people. If you're coming from a Mustang, this is probably something you wouldn't notice. And yes, I'm generalizing. But if you have a trained eye for this sort of thing, then you understand what I'm talking about. Panel gaps, bad paint jobs, cheap plasticky feel inside, atrocious "leather", etc. you can tell it was designed and manufactured by someone with Ford mentality. 2. It doesn't look good. I understand this is highly subjective, but just because it's an electric vehicle doesn't mean that it can't look as good or better than an M3, RS4, or CTS-V. To me, Teslas look cartoonish, especially the Model 3. I can't imagine going on a date and pulling up in a Model 3. Yuck. Every time I see the Model 3, I think of: |
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03-20-2019, 04:22 PM | #114 |
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I've owned my Tesla Model 3 Performance since the end of 2018 (yay tax credit!) and would be happy to answer anyone's questions about the car or the ownership experience.
Before the Tesla, I owned a series of Audis, most recently a tuned '13 S6 and a lowered/tuned '11 S4. I've also run most of my cars at HPDEs, and will be doing so with the Tesla at the end of April. TL;DR - it's the best, most fun-to-drive car I've ever owned. |
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I actually never drove any of the lesser Model 3s. A prerequisite for any new car for me is that it be faster than what I was driving before, and only the Performance version met that standard! As fast as my tuned S6 was, the Tesla would leave it for dead up to about 120 mph. :-) |
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03-21-2019, 07:49 PM | #116 |
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I drove a Model S 100D, and to be honest, it was fast but I couldn't take it being so quiet. Every M car I’ve owned has had aftermarket exhaust, mid pipes, and intake, and all of them were MT besides the F90 M5.
Now, I am waiting for a G80 MT. . More engaging to drive. I wouldn't mind drive the S for cruising around and shopping but that's about it.
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03-21-2019, 08:06 PM | #117 | |
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That would be like saying you drove a 7 series and therefore aren’t interested in a 3 series because the 7 is too calm. It’s true, though that if engine sounds are super important to you, then you wouldn’t be happy in a Tesla. Wait - my car can make fart sounds on demand - would that work as a substitute?? Last edited by ZCD1; 03-21-2019 at 08:21 PM.. |
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03-21-2019, 08:26 PM | #118 | |
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I know the S is different game. I was just referring to the noise. My M5 is brutally loud and I love it.
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The worst idea, as I learned, is to go on a trip and stay overnight at a place that does not offer charging. The supercharger was "only" 25 miles away. But if you do any driving around, you have to drive 50 miles round trip to charge. Not doing that again. Having said that, an EV for day-to-day commuting is better than ICE. I plug in every night and don't even think about range. |
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08-21-2019, 02:43 PM | #120 | |
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Plus my kid enjoys playing beach buggy on the big screen a lot better than anything on his Switch's tiny screen. My previous longest road trip was ~5 years ago in my 335xi: ~3.5k miles miles. Also great trip, just the recent one with the 3 was more fun, more restful and overall more enjoyable for me. |
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09-25-2019, 02:28 PM | #122 |
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The big touch screen might be off-putting at first, but after living with it for a while I've found that having everything in one place is both more convenient and less distracting than having controls scattered about the dash and console...
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10-20-2019, 11:04 AM | #123 |
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I wonder how many BMW M drivers would look at a Tesla Model 3 if it didn't have the instant acceleration. The instant acceleration is a big deal, but how much of the rest of the car is it masking? I've driven the M3P and there is no way I can put it in the same league as an M4 for driving dynamics.
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There is really one thing that makes Teslas not even an option for me...
Range... For daily driving maybe fine but for longer voyages (400km upwards)... no thanks... When Technology comes to a point where it is as simple as filling up... maybe by changeable batteries at power stations???
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I do a 700 km (each way) trip several times a year and it takes about 30 minutes longer in my Model 3 Performance than it did in my ICE vehicle. No big deal, in other words.
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10-21-2019, 04:05 PM | #131 |
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I have not driven the 3, I think looks are subjective, I don't think the 3 looks bad, I really like the way the S looks, I have driven the P100D extensively.
I really would like to see how the 3 holds up, the S runs out of steam pretty quick and its not just on the track, mulitple runs against the Taycan and it was falling severely behind in regular 1/4mile runs etc from heat soak. I am going electric next for the DD, most likely Taycan but I would be open to others. My biggest gripe with Tesla is the build quality, its just off. And even when its not the materials are just not good. I haven't been in the 3, but the S just feels cheap in every aspect of the interior for the price they are asking. I can't imagine that the 3 is of better quality than the S is inside. The door closes, the feel of the finishes all feel very Honda like to me (Civic) and at that price point it should be better. Unless Tesla really gets their Ecosystem growing with Solar Roof Tiles, Home Batteries, Charging Stations etc I dont think they survive and will eventually get bought by someone who knows how to build a car. They have a big lead due to being out first, but big guys are coming and they are putting a lot of money into EV. We will see where it goes. I do think though the S and the 3 are great for competition and its making other companies finally wake up.
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The overall build quality isn't up to German standards, but for me the overall ownership/driving experience compensates for that. Also, the front seat comfort and audio system are the best I've experienced in a car, bar none, so there's that... ;-) |
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