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I don't care much about remembering the dates (i hardly remember when I was born) so I have used this as a source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M4#M4_Competition "On 25 September 2013, BMW released the technical specifications of the M4. During February 2016, BMW announced the M4 Competition." https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar171137.html "It’s been four years since its introduction at the 2011 Frankfurt Motor Show, and the 2012 Porsche 911 (991) has just received it mid-cycle. by Ciprian Florea, on September 9, 2015, 08:00" Even if we go by your data, this "1 year difference" excuse is irrelevant because the M4 Competition was and upgrade to the base car, the same as 991,2 was to Carrera! Quote:
E46 M3CSL 7:50 - E92 M3 GTS 7:49 / 1 sec. difference E92 M3 GTS 7:49 - F82 M4 GTS 7:37 / 12 sec. difference I have never said the M4 GTS was a superstar (that title goes to CSL), I have stated that the M4 GTS set the bar much higher in comparison to the E92 GTS, and that the car was on most tracks closer in performance to the Porsche GT3 than the E92 GTS was in its time. Quote:
Good progress, but nothing extra-ordinary That is the reason I have compared the new G82 and F82 to its rivals like Carrera S, and judging by that gap, G82 looks like a very capable car to me! Quote:
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https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1376759 Taking multiple samples for 100-200km/h tells us: E92GTS --> F82C = 0.4~0.5 faster F82GTS --> G82C = 0.5~0.7 faster And the same conclusion remains Actually yes, and probably more so. That S58 is quite potent.
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If so, then you are doing the opposite of "diminishing".
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In trying to argue that, it might seem that I am biased the other way. When you play Devils advocate that is often how it's perceived. I really like the new G8x gen cars, however a F80 is probably going to be my next fun car. My son recently called the F8x the modern E30, and I think that was a good description! It will still look awesome for a long time, even though it looks like yesterdays design (just like the E30 M3 still looks amazing). I really like the F8x lively and nimble handling as well as it's more characterful DCT gearbox. And that it's lighter than the G8x (but thankfully the G8x isn't as heavy as feared). |
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7:28-29 is the factory time 7:34-37 is his expectations for the lap time set by Sport Auto in their Supertest. |
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Interesting. Assuming lap times are under comparable conditions, it looks like Cup2's (mk2) are much less of an advantage on the G82 (vs MP4S). Only around 1 second per minute lap.
On F series platform Cup2's made a much bigger difference, and those are older Cup2's not the second generation style as now fitted to G8x (cup 2 connect version), which are faster still. The stand out for me is how much the F82 benefitted using MP4S. That's a crazy decrease in lap time by just swapping MPSS with MP4S. This says to me that tyre advancement is a significant factor in the G8x lap time improvement. Which makes total sense to me as the sum of the improvements were not adding up to a significantly faster platform. Last edited by NISFAN; 04-12-2021 at 01:18 PM.. |
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They cite the more calm behaviour due to the longer wheelbase as a major contributor to the G82's advantage on this part of the track. On the twistier parts of the track the difference in lap times between G82 and F82 is much smaller, in sector 3 the G82 on PS4S is avtually a tad slower than the F82... Tire development should not be underestimated, but on this track the largest chunk of time is gained on a sector where that is of less importance. Also compared to the 911 Carrera lap in the post below with only 0,02 sec difference points to a very capable car. |
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Here, the M4C on streat tires is almost as fast as Carrera S. In this case the tires are not significant factor. It seems that the car is actually very good on the track |
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The F82 M4 CS did a 1:34.01 on the earlier Cup2's. From memory the CS has lighter 763m wheels and carbon bonnet/hood over the regular M4 competition. G82 doesn't get the ridiculously heavy 666m and had the carbon seat option, so pretty close spec wise. Seats more than cancel out the carbon hood weight saving. What time would a F82 CS do with the connect Cup2's and an additional 60hp? I think lap times would be almost identical to G82 comp with Cup2's. Which is not bad for the G82 as it is 94kg heavier than the CS. |
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Are you guys all going to track that car? If not: Who the hell cares? It's faster anyway and you won't be able to use it anywhere unless you are on ze german autobahn. It's impressive for me to see what this car is capable of. But i'm damn sure I will feel it not even 1% of the time I own this car as I will use it basically exclusively for daily stuff. I will track it someday for sure, just for fun. And I bet my a** even if I had an F80 I would have the same amount of fun. These cars are beasts anyway and i'm such a beginner tracker that I won't notice anything at all. And I think most of the buyers are like me, just few will use the car on the very limit. Let's accept the fact the BMW made a great car. Lack of DCT is the only thing I understand why people are upset. And looks is subjective, always has been. |
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And I think you might be misreading what car is tested with the PS4S here, the 1:33.98 time is the G82C with its stock PS4S, not the F82C...
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Just in case people wonder how much improvement the PS4S offer over the PSS (hint: ~1s/min)
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/...term-update-4/
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