G80 M3 and G82 M4 Sales Predictions by Region and Model (From M GmbH)

i128 · 03-07-2021, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

Well 4% in Canada. Good prediction, Canadians may still wear bell bottoms and cowboy boots but they know cars that look good.

Also need a touring to easily get our hockey sticks in and out... wait we have the c43 wagon for that...

dwz · 03-07-2021, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by robopp

41% of expected sales in the US, but let's design it for the Asian market? <shakes head>

Where does it say it is designed for Asian market? Any other slides? Just curious

heavyD^2 · 03-07-2021, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by IB M

From an enthusiast's view this tale won't be told by new car sales numbers it will be told by resale value in the enthusiast market in 5 to 10 years. My bet is the G80 fares very poorly in that metric. The "gotta have the newest ride" crowd will be all over this car but IMO it's going to be more E60M5 than E39M5 in the long run except maybe 6MT.

BMW's focus with these new designs is making coin upfront.

Likely the last ICE M3/M4. These will probably be worth plenty in time.

Sublime00 · 03-07-2021, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexFL

Many options for equally performing AWD four door sedans? I think so not...

What I'm saying is that if BMW didn't offer a manual RWD option, I prob wouldn't have bought one, so I would think the take rate would be higher for that variant of the car.

If I was in the market for a daily driver that isn't going to be seeing a track, and was an automatic, there are other options available.

I guess I didn't realize how many people are in the market for an AWD automatic performance model. And I'll readily admit my mindset is in the minority, but based on these percentages, I didn't realize just how far in the minority I am.

Sedan_Clan · 03-07-2021, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by akhbhaat

The US market as a whole is very, very different than the US enthusiast market. Enthusiasts live in a bubble.

People need to read this a few times over.

antzcrashing · 03-07-2021, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cubsnlinux

I think the bigger roadblock for sales is not the grill. It is the onslaught of BEVs. A lot of casual enthusiasts and more importantly casual buyers aren't interested in the M3/M4 because ICE is on a downward curve from an automobile evolution perspective. Why drop high dollar on a technology that will depreciate faster than ever before? You can now get a Model S LR that is faster, around the same price point and that will depreciate much slower.

That is not going thru the mind of anyone outside silicon valley, CA, USA. The rest of us think about what we want out of a car

antzcrashing · 03-07-2021, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime00

What I'm saying is that if BMW didn't offer a manual RWD option, I prob wouldn't have bought one, so I would think the take rate would be higher for that variant of the car.

If I was in the market for a daily driver that isn't going to be seeing a track, and was an automatic, there are other options available.

I guess I didn't realize how many people are in the market for an AWD automatic performance model. And I'll readily admit my mindset is in the minority, but based on these percentages, I didn't realize just how far in the minority I am.

I will agree with your post but in a different way:

I am leaning towards AWD comp model. Surprised by how much I am in the majority. Thought AWD and to a small extent automatic transmission were cold weather plays, but I guess not

AndroidRobot · 03-07-2021, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by M3AWD

... and this evolves into a grill discussion while nobody is bringing up the >60% expected take rate for M xDrive! It looks like I've got company!

I believe it will be worth the weight penalty for M X-Drive. let's hope now that allocations support their predictions so we aren't all waiting forever.

FinalRenegade · 03-07-2021, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by robopp

41% of expected sales in the US, but let's design it for the Asian market? <shakes head>

I'd say 70% of all M/AMG/RS cars I see in Toronto are driven by Chinese buyers, whether it's international students or otherwise. So there's that

clee1982 · 03-07-2021, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by robopp

41% of expected sales in the US, but let's design it for the Asian market? <shakes head>

41% for M in NA, not 41% for BMW in NA.

clee1982 · 03-07-2021, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by clee1982

41% for M in NA, not 41% for BMW in NA.

Also if you look BMW as a whole (not just M), nearly 30% sales in China and like 15% in US, and just a bit less in Germany follow by UK around 10%.

robopp · 03-07-2021, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by clee1982

41% for M in NA, not 41% for BMW in NA.

My statement stands. This is a G80/82 forum. BMW can do whatever they want with the non-M models and so could care less.

drjoe66 · 03-07-2021, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by swagon

M CEO Flasch has mentioned they're seeing a global trend, with emphasis on North America, that people want more aggressive-looking vehicles. Also basically said it goes against what the typical German buyer wants, i.e. more of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I agree with more aggressive looking cars, but this car just makes me aggressive because it's soooooo fugly.

Blindside_137 · 03-07-2021, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Takumi587

Why does everyone think the design was catered to Asia?

Fairly certain at one point, one of the moderators on the forum explicitly said so back when the 4 series was getting more design revealed. Or perhaps it was the 7 series.

In either case, the message was, "large grilles are what Asia wants"

Don't get me wrong I agree large grilles are everywhere right now. But just because something is a trend or popular doesn't make it attractive. Some of the new pickup trucks look terrible with their large grilles.

KoenG · 03-07-2021, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime00

I would think the manual take rate would be higher. That's the biggest selling point of this car, IMO. Manual RWD for $70k.

For those that want this car in an automatic and aren't planning on tracking, why get an M3/M4 for $70/80k? So many other options available at that price point.

That's an interesting take!

Where I live, there are zero MT's on offer, only +50 AT. Then I look at their TCO it actually matches or exceeds the one of the Tesla S plaid +. The TCO of the MT is the same because of resale and extra CO² taxes.

Good luck BMW.

AUSf22 · 03-07-2021, 08:19 PM

This is just my guess but I have a feeling this model will struggle to meet their targets.

If that's the case, they may have to revise the car heavily for the LCI model.

Encanto · 03-07-2021, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Blindside_137

Fairly certain at one point, one of the moderators on the forum explicitly said so back when the 4 series was getting more design revealed. Or perhaps it was the 7 series.

In either case, the message was, "large grilles are what Asia wants"

Don't get me wrong I agree large grilles are everywhere right now. But just because something is a trend or popular doesn't make it attractive. Some of the new pickup trucks look terrible with their large grilles.

BMW mentioned the bigger grill of the 7-Series LCI and China in particular in a press release.

Casone238 · 03-07-2021, 08:45 PM

These numbers don't surprised especially for the AWD version. I know a lot of people that wanted a f80 M3/M4 that ended up getting a M340 or another M model car that is awd just based on the fact that with rwd it wouldn't be a reliable daily up here in the north east. Also for people who are going to drag race them are most likely going with the AWD to get better launches. I'm even planning to get the AWD M3 next year, but if lived in state like Florida I wouldn't care for the awd

pooyab · 03-07-2021, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by solstice

Watch this becoming the most sold M3/M4 despite being launched in the midst of a pandemic and with BEVs eating into the luxury market with ever-increasing vengeance. The MT, RWD, AWD, Touring and overall increased excellence across segments should pay dividends. Grills be damned

It's very possible.
For reference, in the Bay Area, house flips are successful because people just don't know what good quality is. They want to brag about "newly remodeled" and "turnkey" homes. And how much they paid over asking.
Similar market base would go for a new bmw just because of the bmw badge, same reason why you see 320i and CLA250 on the road. They don't looks at designs or any other aspect besides the badge.

CanuckM · 03-07-2021, 11:07 PM

Let's praise God that despites a small percentage interested in RWD, 6MT models, the company isn't ran by accountants. We all know a handful of companies that would NEVER allow this.

killhour · 03-07-2021, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime00

I would think the manual take rate would be higher. That's the biggest selling point of this car, IMO. Manual RWD for $70k.

For those that want this car in an automatic and aren't planning on tracking, why get an M3/M4 for $70/80k? So many other options available at that price point.

Cars in this performance category with AWD are really slim. Sub 100k options with a similar performance level and RWD:

GT500
Camaro ZL1
C8 Corvette
Challenger/Charger Hellcat
C63s
CT5-V BlackWing
LC500
Giulia Quadrifogllio
Cayman GTS/GT4

They're not all direct competitors per-se, but there's a car for pretty much anybody in that list. Many are available with a manual. I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

AWD options:

M3/M4
RS5
Model S
F-Type R that fell off the back of the delivery truck and is somehow 20k off
???

If you know of ones I'm not considering, I'd love to hear it, but you pretty much need to spend E63/M5/RS6 money to get AWD and sub 4 seconds

BDO · 03-08-2021, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by robopp

41% of expected sales in the US, but let's design it for the Asian market? <shakes head>

And the stupidity of "designed for China" statement will slowly start to sink in.

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