BMW M3 and M4 - The Icons
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
home
G80 BMW M3 and M4 General Topics BMW M3 (G80), M4 (G82), CSL and 3.0 CSL General Forum

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-09-2021, 12:18 PM   #1
manuelf
Second Lieutenant
340
Rep
261
Posts

Drives: BMW M4 F82 LCI
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Germany

iTrader: (0)

G82 M4 Competition Auto Bild Sportscars Supertest - 1:32,76 laptime at Sachsenring

BIMMERPOST
     Featured on BIMMERPOST.com
Current issue of German AutoBild sportscars had the supertest of M4 Competition.

Weight was 1695 kg with TrackPackage.
Laptime at track Sachsenring was 1:32,76 with Michelin Cup2 tyres.
This is 0,4s behind Porsche 992 Carrera S, and 0,4s faster than the M4 GTS.
Attached Images
   
Appreciate 17
Scorp!on1510.00
EXE462097.00
heavyD^23684.00
solstice5456.50
Hedoniste3770.50
Darth One6612.50
Bon F80127.00
JTO245246.50
agentrnge376.00
Dr.Deep1827.00
E92M3GT101.00
russell21147.00
      04-09-2021, 12:31 PM   #2
Boss330
Major General
Boss330's Avatar
No_Country
1712
Rep
5,108
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Earth

iTrader: (0)

Thanks for sharing!

Great review and also interesting to see a Comp model weighing in at 1695kg (3733lbs)!
Compares well with the weight of the manual car and the "lightweight" manual std model from the BMW video.

A more realistic power test (compared to Dynojets etc) shows 522hp and 665Nm which is in line with factory figures.

Their verdict ("Fazit") is also interesting:

"Bravo BMW! The new M4 is fast like a 911, but not a 911 copy, which squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless. Precision and fun to drive is a better description (for the M4). And about the kidneys; you get used to everything".
Appreciate 8
manuelf340.00
EXE462097.00
solstice5456.50
JTO245246.50
Dr.Deep1827.00
werdn656.00
E92M3GT101.00
      04-09-2021, 12:34 PM   #3
Jcali86
Captain
Jcali86's Avatar
1479
Rep
659
Posts

Drives: G80 xdrive
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (0)

Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
__________________
Love me a big old grille! Wish it was an xdrive G80
Appreciate 1
      04-09-2021, 01:04 PM   #4
EXE46
Lieutenant Colonel
EXE46's Avatar
United_States
2097
Rep
1,531
Posts

Drives: 2020 M340i RWD Aka New E39 M5
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: State of Dystopia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcali86 View Post
Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
BMW did benchmark the GTS when building these new Generation M3/M4.
__________________
Prior's: E36, E46 x2
Appreciate 0
      04-09-2021, 01:17 PM   #5
Jcali86
Captain
Jcali86's Avatar
1479
Rep
659
Posts

Drives: G80 xdrive
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by EXE46 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcali86 View Post
Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
BMW did benchmark the GTS when building these new Generation M3/M4.
Oh no doubt! I'm just surprised still seeing as it's so much heavier.
__________________
Love me a big old grille! Wish it was an xdrive G80
Appreciate 1
EXE462097.00
      04-09-2021, 01:30 PM   #6
Boss330
Major General
Boss330's Avatar
No_Country
1712
Rep
5,108
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Earth

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcali86 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by EXE46 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcali86 View Post
Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
BMW did benchmark the GTS when building these new Generation M3/M4.
Oh no doubt! I'm just surprised still seeing as it's so much heavier.
It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a inside source BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
Appreciate 8
Jcali861479.00
02M3ForMe4255.50
manuelf340.00
EXE462097.00
solstice5456.50
JTO245246.50
F80DK389.50
      04-09-2021, 01:35 PM   #7
VIERsr
Major
Switzerland
2621
Rep
1,477
Posts

Drives: BMW M2
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Zurich

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Not surprised actually, Bmw already claimed that with cup tires the new M4 would have been faster on the track than the M4 GTS. Promise kept.
Great job though.
Appreciate 2
W///7435.50
      04-09-2021, 01:55 PM   #8
M3AWD
Lieutenant Colonel
M3AWD's Avatar
United_States
3178
Rep
1,902
Posts

Drives: 2022 G80 M3 AWD
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Atlanta, GA

iTrader: (0)

This test proves the G8x is a beast... I wonder how the AWD version will perform on this same track
__________________

2022 G80 M3 Comp M xDrive
Appreciate 2
E92M3GT101.00
      04-09-2021, 02:53 PM   #9
02M3ForMe
Lieutenant Colonel
4256
Rep
1,621
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss330 View Post
It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
These results are obvious the second after you steer into your first high-speed turn. This car is a weapon.

Do you have M2C/CS numbers?
Appreciate 0
      04-09-2021, 03:06 PM   #10
Boss330
Major General
Boss330's Avatar
No_Country
1712
Rep
5,108
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Earth

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss330 View Post
It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
These results are obvious the second after you steer into your first high-speed turn. This car is a weapon.

Do you have M2C/CS numbers?
M2 CS: 7:42,99
M2 Comp: 7:52,36

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a inside source BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).
Appreciate 0
      04-09-2021, 03:07 PM   #11
02M3ForMe
Lieutenant Colonel
4256
Rep
1,621
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss330 View Post
M2 CS: 7:42,99
M2 Comp: 7:52,36

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a insider BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).

Thank you. That will be an exceptional delta if SA can replicate it.
Appreciate 0
      04-09-2021, 03:53 PM   #12
lemetier
Plenipotentiary
lemetier's Avatar
2614
Rep
3,046
Posts

Drives: Yes
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Location

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss330 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcali86 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by EXE46 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcali86 View Post
Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
BMW did benchmark the GTS when building these new Generation M3/M4.
Oh no doubt! I'm just surprised still seeing as it's so much heavier.
It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a inside source BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
The F82 M4 Std SA time is a few seconds slower than it should have been.

G8x SA Nordschleife time of 7:34 - 7:39 is what I'm expecting to see.
Appreciate 3
Boss3301711.50
solstice5456.50
JTO245246.50
      04-09-2021, 04:01 PM   #13
Boss330
Major General
Boss330's Avatar
No_Country
1712
Rep
5,108
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Earth

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lemetier View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss330 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcali86 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by EXE46 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcali86 View Post
Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
BMW did benchmark the GTS when building these new Generation M3/M4.
Oh no doubt! I'm just surprised still seeing as it's so much heavier.
It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a inside source BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
The F82 M4 Std SA time is a few seconds slower than it should have been.

G8x SA Nordschleife time of 7:34 - 7:39 is what I'm expecting to see.
Thanks for the info and prediction on SA time (which usually is a bit slower than factory lap times for obvious reasons) 😊
If G8x SA time is 7:34-7:39, that would be right there with the F82 GTS 👍
Appreciate 0
      04-09-2021, 04:45 PM   #14
mbanck
Captain
690
Rep
803
Posts

Drives: BMW E46 320ci, BMW F34 330dx
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Munich, Germany

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss330 View Post
Thanks for sharing!

Great review and also interesting to see a Comp model weighing in at 1695kg (3733lbs)!
Compares well with the weight of the manual car and the "lightweight" manual std model from the BMW video.

A more realistic power test (compared to Dynojets etc) shows 522hp and 665Nm which is in line with factory figures.

Their verdict ("Fazit") is also interesting:

"Bravo BMW! The new M4 is fast like a 911, but not a 911 copy, which squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless. Precision and fun to drive is a better description (for the M4). And about the kidneys; you get used to everything".
To be clear, with "squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless" they did not mean the 911 either I think. They just say the M4 isn't that.
Appreciate 0
      04-09-2021, 04:52 PM   #15
Boss330
Major General
Boss330's Avatar
No_Country
1712
Rep
5,108
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Earth

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbanck View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss330 View Post
Thanks for sharing!

Great review and also interesting to see a Comp model weighing in at 1695kg (3733lbs)!
Compares well with the weight of the manual car and the "lightweight" manual std model from the BMW video.

A more realistic power test (compared to Dynojets etc) shows 522hp and 665Nm which is in line with factory figures.

Their verdict ("Fazit") is also interesting:

"Bravo BMW! The new M4 is fast like a 911, but not a 911 copy, which squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless. Precision and fun to drive is a better description (for the M4). And about the kidneys; you get used to everything".
To be clear, with "squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless" they did not mean the 911 either I think. They just say the M4 isn't that.
They did mean the 911 as I understood the original text in German.

That resonates with some other comparison reviews of the 911, it's a surgical instrument but could have been more fun/playful.
I guess it depends on preferences as well.
Appreciate 1
SYT_Shadow11421.00
      04-09-2021, 05:09 PM   #16
lemetier
Plenipotentiary
lemetier's Avatar
2614
Rep
3,046
Posts

Drives: Yes
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Location

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss330 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbanck View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss330 View Post
Thanks for sharing!

Great review and also interesting to see a Comp model weighing in at 1695kg (3733lbs)!
Compares well with the weight of the manual car and the "lightweight" manual std model from the BMW video.

A more realistic power test (compared to Dynojets etc) shows 522hp and 665Nm which is in line with factory figures.

Their verdict ("Fazit") is also interesting:

"Bravo BMW! The new M4 is fast like a 911, but not a 911 copy, which squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless. Precision and fun to drive is a better description (for the M4). And about the kidneys; you get used to everything".
To be clear, with "squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless" they did not mean the 911 either I think. They just say the M4 isn't that.
They did mean the 911 as I understood the original text in German.

That resonates with some other comparison reviews of the 911, it's a surgical instrument but could have been more fun/playful.
I guess it depends on preferences as well.
Yup. The non-GT 992 have lost the playful hair trigger character of old. The harder you push, the more distant it becomes.
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 2
Boss3301711.50
SYT_Shadow11421.00
      04-09-2021, 09:00 PM   #17
solstice
Major General
5457
Rep
7,037
Posts

Drives: 2015 M3 6MT
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Seattle

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lemetier View Post
The F82 M4 Std SA time is a few seconds slower than it should have been.

G8x SA Nordschleife time of 7:34 - 7:39 is what I'm expecting to see.
Those BMW factory drivers know their sh*t
Appreciate 2
Boss3301711.50
SYT_Shadow11421.00
      04-09-2021, 09:18 PM   #18
lemetier
Plenipotentiary
lemetier's Avatar
2614
Rep
3,046
Posts

Drives: Yes
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Location

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by solstice View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by lemetier View Post
The F82 M4 Std SA time is a few seconds slower than it should have been.

G8x SA Nordschleife time of 7:34 - 7:39 is what I'm expecting to see.
Those BMW factory drivers know their sh*t
I think it has more to do with *DON'T CRASH THE PRESS CAR".

3rd party Insurance coverage in the event of a brown incident during a timed Nordschleife lap is a tricky subject.
Appreciate 2
solstice5456.50
F80DK389.50
      04-10-2021, 05:33 AM   #19
NISFAN
Major General
NISFAN's Avatar
United Kingdom
3486
Rep
9,709
Posts

Drives: BMW M2
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Bedford UK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lemetier View Post
The F82 M4 Std SA time is a few seconds slower than it should have been.

G8x SA Nordschleife time of 7:34 - 7:39 is what I'm expecting to see.
I'm assuming this would be on Cup2's?
Appreciate 0
      04-10-2021, 07:02 AM   #20
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21105
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss330 View Post
It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a inside source BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
A very impressive showing indeed.

A few precision points, the G82 tested here only has marginally wider front tires than the F82 CS/GTS (275 vs 265) and same rear size. I believe the main difference regarding the tires is from the latest gen PSC2. Pretty cool that they tested both the PS4S and PSC2.

Regarding chassis bracing, there is no indication that the G8X has superior bracing over the F8X. IMO, chassis improvements stem from the wider track and latest gen suspension tech (EDC).

With a 7.8s 100-200km/h, the S58 is mightily impressive too!

1,595kg is a nice surprise. What strikes me is the weight distribution: 57/43 . That's Audi territory. EDIT: it is a typo in the picture, the tech sheet shows the correct 53/47 distribution.
__________________
Porsche 911 turbo 2021 992 GT Silver

Previous cars: M4cs 2019 F82 Limerock Grey / M4 2015 F82 Silverstone / M3 2008 E92 Silverstone / M3 2002 E46 Carbon Black

Last edited by CanAutM3; 04-10-2021 at 07:36 AM..
Appreciate 5
EXE462097.00
Boss3301711.50
JTO245246.50
      04-10-2021, 07:19 AM   #21
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21105
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by manuelf View Post
This is 0,4s behind Porsche 992 Carrera S.
Comparing apples to apples on street tires, it is 1.6 seconds according to the article though...
__________________
Porsche 911 turbo 2021 992 GT Silver

Previous cars: M4cs 2019 F82 Limerock Grey / M4 2015 F82 Silverstone / M3 2008 E92 Silverstone / M3 2002 E46 Carbon Black
Appreciate 1
The_Werm212.00
      04-10-2021, 07:23 AM   #22
VIERsr
Major
Switzerland
2621
Rep
1,477
Posts

Drives: BMW M2
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Zurich

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanAutM3 View Post
A very impressive showing indeed.

A few precision points, the G82 tested here only has marginally wider front tires than the F82 CS/GTS (275 vs 265) and same rear size. I believe the main difference regarding the tires is from the latest gen PSC2.

Regarding chassis bracing, there is no indication that the G8X has superior bracing over the F8X. IMO, chassis improvements stem from the wider track and latest gen suspension tech (EDC).

With a 7.8s 100-200km/h, the S58 is mightily impressive too!

1,595kg is a nice surprise. What strikes me is the weight distribution: 57/43 . That's Audi territory. No wonder they needed those wider front tires and wider front track.
+100
Something is wrong with the weight distribution, I assume they meant 53/47 (799/896->47.1/52.9).
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:07 PM.




g80
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST