[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by GiorgioE82

Big 'ol US Dollars my man...just as in anywhere in the US (which we are a part of).

The sarcasm dial was turned up to max.

[GiorgioE82]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

Ahhhhh! You took the bait!

It was obviously sarcasm.

I'm low on coffee at this time. Can't tell what is what anymore. 😂

[JJacksonIII]

Frozen Brooklyn Grey is legit primer coat. Who would do that?

[P1]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

We have no idea so all reasonable possibilities are considered. I don't believe a savvy flipper would actually pay $10k for PPF before auctioning. Perhaps that was the "MSRP" deal from the original dealer. What do you believe happened here?

I'm a hater, so I think someone was hoping to make a quick buck here. But again... I'm a hater.

[P1]

Originally Posted by to_riffic

If the guy can afford a GT4RS, I don't think he's losing sleep over the loss he incurred from the sale of this CSL. I know I wouldn't. I'd be like "GTF outta here already!"

Then why list it on BaT? If you don't care, sell it back to the dealership or trade it in. Doesn't get any easier than that.

[IcewaterPete]

Originally Posted by P1

Then why list it on BaT? If you don't care, sell it back to the dealership or trade it in. Doesn't get any easier than that.

I would venture a guess that since the dealers are the tip of the spear and the market specialists they are already seeing pricing power pullback. With better market intelligence they probably are pulling back on trade numbers. So dealer may have offered even less than MSRP. The guys I deal with on the higher end stuff usually have a trade in like this pre-sold so there isn’t much carry risk. You’d be amazed how fast they work the system with something like this to know who will buy it and for how much.

[crypto]

Not sure why there’s so much debate about whether the seller was a planned flipper. A few people have alluded to it but he says exactly why selling in the post and that it was not planned and he cannot keep both the forthcoming Porsche (unexpected allocation) and the BMW. 😂

[to_riffic]

Originally Posted by P1

Then why list it on BaT? If you don't care, sell it back to the dealership or trade it in. Doesn't get any easier than that.

If he could make a profit in the sale why the f not? Why does anyone choose to sell their car as a private seller and not just sell to the dealership? Rhetoric at its finest.

[edwinm3]

Originally Posted by GiorgioE82

Import tax here is definitely NOT $7500 on a 2023 M4 CSL. Try $55484. See here straight from our Treasury page.

that’s insane, I guess paying 5k back in the 90’s when I shipped my 95’ E36 M3 wasn’t that bad after all.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by JK479

Wonderful point- we don’t know anyone’s intention or life situation.

My dad retired and bought his dream car upon retirement. 4 months later he had a paralyzing illness that rendered him unable to do walk.

His car stayed with him for about 2 months and we decided to sell it. So I’ve lived through something on the surface looks like a quick flip on to the next.

I'm deeply saddened about your story.

May I ask, is your father still with us? And if so, is he better my friend?

[MadBimmeRad]

Ok, I can't resist it any longer.

Let's say, I bought a house. In a relatively short time, the value goes up considerably and I end up selling it.

I ask you, the audience, whose business is it why I bought it or, why I sold it, other than mine?

Simply put, that's capitalism baby!!!

In the real world today, I have a much-fought-for allocation for a CSL, except, some goose in Germany decided to arbitrarily change my choice of seats to M electric CF instead of the full bucket manual CF seats which I ordered and confirmed.

What has arrived is neither the car I wanted, nor that which I ordered.

If I take the car and sell it because it's not what I wanted, frankly, it's nobody's business why I sold it other than mine.

[P1]

Originally Posted by to_riffic

If he could make a profit in the sale why the f not? Why does anyone choose to sell their car as a private seller and not just sell to the dealership? Rhetoric at its finest.

Now you're arguing against your original point. So does your imaginary guy care, or not care? If he doesn't care, then sell it back to the dealership or trade it in. If he cares, then go the BaT route.

[to_riffic]

Originally Posted by P1

Now you're arguing against your original point. So does your imaginary guy care, or not care? If he doesn't care, then sell it back to the dealership or trade it in. If he cares, then go the BaT route.

We’re playing house money. It doesn’t matter if I think he did or didn’t care. I’d done the same and you’d probably too. Let’s be real here.

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Ok, I can't resist it any longer.

Let's say, I bought a house. In a relatively short time, the value goes up considerably and I end up selling it.

I ask you, the audience, whose business is it why I bought it or, why I sold it, other than mine?

Simply put, that's capitalism baby!!!

In the real world today, I have a much-fought-for allocation for a CSL, except, some goose in Germany decided to arbitrarily change my choice of seats to M electric CF instead of the full bucket manual CF seats which I ordered and confirmed.

What has arrived is neither the car I wanted, nor that which I ordered.

If I take the car and sell it because it's not what I wanted, frankly, it's nobody's business why I sold it other than mine.

I like the response and completely understand it and your point of view. Just have a question. What exactly do you mean by fighting for the allocation? Paying over what others have offered ? God those who have more than what others do feel so entitled. A pen is not worth what is worth but what one is paying for it. Yes. I said it.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

I like the response and completely understand it and your point of view. Just have a question. What exactly do you mean by fighting for the allocation? Paying over what others have offered ? Good those who have more than what others do feel so entitled. A pen is not worth what is worth but what one is paying for it. Yes. I said it.

Well, I live in Australia. So ADM is not a common thing here.

In Australia, M4CSL allocations were made through a vetting process directly between the buyers and BMW Australia. Dealers did not receive any allocations, buyers did and had to nominate their preferred dealer to pick up their cars.

With regards to your pen analogy, you are absolutely, 100%, entitled to your opinion and I will never knock you for it. However, what I do with my money is purely and solely my business and nobody else's. Hence my point in my previous post, whether I the car, keep the car or, sell the car should concern nobody but the guy who pays for it.

[JK479]

Very nice of you to ask… he battled his injury for 13 years and passed in 2017.

While it wasn’t his “best” years after the injury- something I truly admire is that he made peace with it and tried to live a productive life and still loved cars. Even though he was always a passenger.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Ok, I can't resist it any longer.

Let's say, I bought a house. In a relatively short time, the value goes up considerably and I end up selling it.

I ask you, the audience, whose business is it why I bought it or, why I sold it, other than mine?

Simply put, that's capitalism baby!!!

In the real world today, I have a much-fought-for allocation for a CSL, except, some goose in Germany decided to arbitrarily change my choice of seats to M electric CF instead of the full bucket manual CF seats which I ordered and confirmed.

What has arrived is neither the car I wanted, nor that which I ordered.

If I take the car and sell it because it's not what I wanted, frankly, it's nobody's business why I sold it other than mine.

True - but live with the thought too that you picked money over being an enthusiast. If money was your aim. Which is fine- but passion can’t be bought with money.

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Well, I live in Australia. So ADM is not a common thing here.

In Australia, M4CSL allocations were made through a vetting process directly between the buyers and BMW Australia. Dealers did not receive any allocations, buyers did and had to nominate their preferred dealer to pick up their cars.

With regards to your pen analogy, you are absolutely, 100%, entitled to your opinion and I will never knock you for it. However, what I do with my money is purely and solely my business and nobody else's. Hence my point in my previous post, whether I take the car, keep the caror, sell the car should confirm nobody but the guy who pays for it.

As you see getting a car in different part of the world can be a much different process from one to another. And as you got a bit angry about some responses here some might get annoyed by others. But that’s freedom of speech and I will exercise mine and appreciate others as long as it’s without offensive language or calling others names. Those ADMs were present in U.S on higher end models but since the most popular disease in the world kicked in ADMs became reality in Toyota and Nissan dealerships. Funny thing is nobody is to blame for situation except for consumers. Oh well. Capitalism. I’ll tell you what though. Many company owners here got so much money they shouldn’t be getting in the first place from some ridiculous government programs that they ended up with so much money on their hands that it’s ridiculous. But that’s a subject on a whole different conversation.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by JK479

True - but live with the thought too that you picked money over being an enthusiast. If money was your aim. Which is fine- but passion can’t be bought with money.

You may have misunderstood my statement.

A) why would I have fought for the car if I wasn't an enthusiast?

B) Why would I ask for the manual carbon seats?

C) I've got a M2CS and was offered $85k (USD$60K) over what I paid for it on the day it arrived; I still own, love, and enjoy driving it every time I get in the car. Would I do that if money was my passion? You can check my thread on my CS delivery from 2 years ago if you need proof.

and

D) I did use red font to highlight the word IF when asking whose business it was if I sold the car.

I'm not advocating FOR flippers, but rather, freedom of choice without hindrance. We, I assume, live in a democracy and as such should have the right to do what we desire within the bounds of law; that's all I'm trying to convey here.

To that end, I appreciate and, thank you for your contribution.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by DM5PAV

That’s horrible and I’m sorry to hear that happened to you and your father. It’s probably happened to many.

I think the lesson here is, live your life and get what fun out of it you can, because none of us know when the end is.

Absolutely- and it wasn’t all doom and gloom for my Dad being a paraplegic. He adapted and found peace. Even encouraged me to pursue my own dream cars!

[JK479]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

You may have misunderstood my statement.

A) why would I have fought for the car if I wasn't an enthusiast?

B) Why would I ask for the manual carbon seats?

C) I've got a M2CS and was offered $85k (USD$60K) over what I paid for it on the day it arrived; I still own, love, and enjoy driving it every time I get in the car. World I do that if money was my passion? You can check my thread on my CS delivery from 2 years ago if you need proof.

and

D) I did use red font to highlight the word IF when asking whose business it was if I sold the car.

I'm not advocating FOR flippers, but rather, freedom of choice without hindrance. We, I assume, live in a democracy and as such should have the right to do what we desire within the bounds of law; that's all I'm trying to convey here.

To that end, I appreciate and, thank you for your contribution.

Right- and I agree with all above. My post sounds snotty and a little self righteous reading it back man. My bad- I think you were more clear and concise. I was typing while putting to bed a 5 and 6 year old. If you ever have kids you know how much they take out of you right before their bed time

[kyrix1st]

Other than being a unicorn amongst every other GT3s, R8s etc, there's not much going for the CSL. Not surprised it didn't fetch whatever the seller was asking.

-1650 kg without the back seats
-torque converter auto, no MT or DCT
-not much different from G82 comp: DME retune, CFRP hood and trunk, interior trims.
-hideous exterior: puts Honda civic ricers to shame.