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The Touring is not available in the US, so C&D is unlikely to test it.
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The lightning lap was done with PS4S.
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BMW was always extremely fast through the turns and under braking. Now people are getting excited over 0-60 and quarter mile times on an AWD that’s too heavy to carve up a good lap. Ok.
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For Lightning Laps any optional tire that the car can be bought with from the list is used. Key there is the tire must be on the option list. Non standard or non optional tires are a modification. So if my BMW comes home & I don't like the tires I can go out & spend $1500 for my personal choice of tires. Thats a modification which I have done. The rabbit hole is you might spend $1500 for better tires while I might spend the $1500 for a JB4 & a tune. Just another type of $1500 modification. Where does it stop to get a fair comparison of the car as delivered from the factory? As opposed to how fast can we make this car go for X dollars,
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For a track test, magazines usually test with the best OE track tire option that you can get from the factory. In the case of the RS3, it can be ordered with the Trofeo-R, hence why it was tested with them. In the same way, the M4 CSL was tested with the PSC2R. At least, for the RS3, C&D also published the time the RS3 did with the PZ4. In Europe, most track tests of the M3/4 are done with optional PSC2. I am not sure why BMW USA has elected not to offer the PSC2 in their market for the M3/4. Even in Canada, we can order the PSC2 on the G8X from the factory.
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I’m so glad someone finally mentioned this. I read the whole article and aside from gushing over the straight line speed, no other performance was mentioned. These used to be drivers cars…not ugly drag specialists.
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The results are very similar to the M4xDrive they had previously tested. The M4 was tested with the PS4S and the M3 matched it in the 0-60mph, and both are pretty evenly matched on the skidpad and in braking, so the grip of the M3’s PZ4 is clearly not an issue. The M4 being slightly lighter and with less drag (due to a smaller frontal area) is slightly faster on the top end. There are no surprises here.
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I enjoy the process of going 0 to 80 without blinking. Also enjoy turns, on-ramps/ off-ramps without breaking. And I definitely lack quite a bit of self control so...BMW it is for me!
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Of course, when you're comparing luxury street cars turning laps at a noncompetition track day event, and the delta between them with the same driver *might* be 1 second a lap, you also need to stop and ask, "who cares?"
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BMW did such a good job that the only real drawback from the heavier AWD version is running cost aka tires and brakes and later on axles, diffs etc if your regularly pushing it on track. I have other AWD SUVs for daily stuff so I prefer having a RWD car as a fun car even if it isn't the absolute fastest but I understand for ppl looking for the do everything car the G8X is the ultimate offering on the market now.
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It is and I tested it a lot on and off track but unfortunately you cannot drive with all nannies ON in RWD mode in your AWD car and the traction control adjustable levels is pretty much only good for straighline or doing donuts. If you have the driving skills of driving with everything off all the time then I agree the AWD feature can be a huge advantage in some situations. They would of probably have sold a shit load of Manual AWD cars, seriously.
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