Need to decide Carbon Ceramic Brakes or not (Right now)

NightWriter · 04-03-2022, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AllForTheCash

My 2019 M5 Comp had all the ceramic coating and what not on the wheels. Made no difference. Spirited drives would not only cover the wheels with large amounts of break dust but down the side of the fenders as well. The bicolored Y spoke wheels were completely black with brake dust.
If money is not an issue order them. You will not regret it. Everyone has an opinion. Enjoy.

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest ceramic coating will reduce brake dust; I meant to say that it should facilitate removing it (eg with a pressure washer), compared to untreated wheels.

Yep, everyone's got an opinion and mine's worth about three cents (inflation-adjusted). Cheers.

metalbmxer · 04-03-2022, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mowe

I'd disagree. I think if I was tracking the car I'd get standard brakes due to cost of replacement.

For my occasional drag strip and spirited driving as well as outstanding looks / hard parking. I went CCB. I also enjoy almost zero brake dust so less cleaning.

Just my .02.

good choice, your IOMG looks sweet w them on (I have one on order as well but still undecided about the CCB)
any issues with stopping distances when cold/wet?
thx in advance for the feedback!

translux · 04-03-2022, 03:43 PM

CCB's are not for for the track.
I don't know anyone who is consistently active at track days or races at the amateur level that uses CCB's.
In fact I know a couple guys who swap to steel just for the track then back to CCB's for the street.
Even if you hate $ it's just not practical.

And yes $8k is a lot to spend for something that in the end has a mild performance increase.
But IMHO it's a much better investment that a bunch of carbon stuck on top of more carbon.
Hell you could spend $8k at Ind on some bolts and painted reflectors.

Limegrntaln · 04-03-2022, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by translux

CCB's are not for for the track.
I don't know anyone who is consistently active at track days or races at the amateur level that uses CCB's.
In fact I know a couple guys who swap to steel just for the track then back to CCB's for the street.
Even if you hate $ it's just not practical.

And yes $8k is a lot to spend for something that in the end has a mild performance increase.
But IMHO it's a much better investment that a bunch of carbon stuck on top of more carbon.
Hell you could spend $8k at Ind on some bolts and painted reflectors.

Well, the other benefit, is no brake dust. But that's just a byproduct. Secondly, if you don't track them, they are never going to wear out. I know a service writer that has CCBs on his F82 and he's got 104,000 miles on his car, and the factory pads aren't even close to wearing out.

translux · 04-03-2022, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

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Originally Posted by translux

CCB's are not for for the track.
I don't know anyone who is consistently active at track days or races at the amateur level that uses CCB's.
In fact I know a couple guys who swap to steel just for the track then back to CCB's for the street.
Even if you hate $ it's just not practical.

And yes $8k is a lot to spend for something that in the end has a mild performance increase.
But IMHO it's a much better investment that a bunch of carbon stuck on top of more carbon.
Hell you could spend $8k at Ind on some bolts and painted reflectors.

Well, the other benefit, is no brake dust. But that's just a byproduct. Secondly, if you don't track them, they are never going to wear out. I know a service writer that has CCBs on his F82 and he's got 104,000 miles on his car, and the factory pads aren't even close to wearing out.

Excellent point!
I have 50k on my Quadrifoglio and 60k on my 991 Turbo and both still have more than 50% life left in them.
If they were steel both would have been replaced by now.

M3Fahrer · 04-03-2022, 04:44 PM

If you got the $$$ go with the gold

Mowe · 04-03-2022, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by metalbmxer

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Originally Posted by Mowe

I'd disagree. I think if I was tracking the car I'd get standard brakes due to cost of replacement.

For my occasional drag strip and spirited driving as well as outstanding looks / hard parking. I went CCB. I also enjoy almost zero brake dust so less cleaning.

Just my .02.

good choice, your IOMG looks sweet w them on (I have one on order as well but still undecided about the CCB)
any issues with stopping distances when cold/wet?
thx in advance for the feedback!

Not yet … I also probably won't drive this car in the rain much if I can help it. Not my DD.

DriveWithDray · 04-04-2022, 09:59 AM

CCB is something I will always spec my cars with if available. literally for feel and wheel cleanliness. Makes it worth it to me. but obviously not a crucial feature

ccase04 · 04-04-2022, 11:26 AM

I am in the same boat. I always wish my GT4 has them so this time im going to spec them on my incoming G80x. They also look sick with IOMG.

335xs2dinan · 04-04-2022, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DriveWithDray

CCB is something I will always spec my cars with if available. literally for feel and wheel cleanliness. Makes it worth it to me. but obviously not a crucial feature

Never driven w them but at least some people saying initial bite isn't there, can you elaborate on the "feel"

Mac Daddy · 04-04-2022, 04:08 PM

I have been tempted by the CCBs, and you guys aren't helping!

I think they would look really good with Tanzanite as well. The no brake dust is really compelling. Are they worth 8 large? Well probably not - it is hard to make an objective case for me at least.

But that really isn't the question, is it? The question is: "will you regret not getting them?" The answer to that, for me, is "quite possibly".

The Ching · 04-04-2022, 06:17 PM

Get the ceramics! All that squealing is the only thing I don't like about my car, and the fact that normal wear items are no longer covered by the warranty, I hear the ceramics are supposed to last a long time if not regularly tracked.

M4Ghost · 04-04-2022, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by slipp3ryching

Get the ceramics! All that squealing is the only thing I don't like about my car, and the fact that normal wear items are no longer covered by the warranty, I hear the ceramics are supposed to last a long time if not regularly tracked.

I ended up opting OUT of the CCB

Limegrntaln · 06-02-2022, 04:56 AM

Price just went up to $8,500 for the 2023 model. Making them less worth it. Although,

I also have a friend that has steel brakes on his rwd 2021, with 17,000 miles, and like a lot of these cars, it needs rear brakes, already. Dealer quoted him $2,500 for just the rear brake replacement.

Word is the traction control applies the rear brakes as part of the stability control system.

MassComp · 06-02-2022, 08:01 AM

Between the $8,500 price for CCB, replacement costs, and all the salt & sand the DPW puts down on the roads around here in Winter (my M3 will be a daily driver)....and my history of bad luck with tire installers in my area, CCB brakes are just not worth it for me. I can deal with brake dust on the wheels since I've owned a few Porsches over the years!

I put less than 5,000 miles a year on my vehicles, so my regular iron rotors & brake pads should last me a while since I'll never track my car.

DocWeatherington · 06-02-2022, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Price just went up to $8,500 for the 2023 model. Making them less worth it. Although,

I also have a friend that has steel brakes on his rwd 2021, with 17,000 miles, and like a lot of these cars, it needs rear brakes, already. Dealer quoted him $2,500 for just the rear brake replacement.

Word is the traction control applies the rear brakes as part of the stability control system.

Track days?

17k and already needing the rears done is crazy...

I bet the RWD cars eat rear brakes when tracked

Limegrntaln · 06-02-2022, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

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Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Price just went up to $8,500 for the 2023 model. Making them less worth it. Although,

I also have a friend that has steel brakes on his rwd 2021, with 17,000 miles, and like a lot of these cars, it needs rear brakes, already. Dealer quoted him $2,500 for just the rear brake replacement.

Word is the traction control applies the rear brakes as part of the stability control system.

Track days?

17k and already needing the rears done is crazy...

I bet the RWD cars eat rear brakes when tracked

No track days.

DocWeatherington · 06-02-2022, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Price just went up to $8,500 for the 2023 model. Making them less worth it. Although,

I also have a friend that has steel brakes on his rwd 2021, with 17,000 miles, and like a lot of these cars, it needs rear brakes, already. Dealer quoted him $2,500 for just the rear brake replacement.

Word is the traction control applies the rear brakes as part of the stability control system.

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Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Track days?

17k and already needing the rears done is crazy...

I bet the RWD cars eat rear brakes when tracked

It also makes sense to pay the 800 bucks for the extra maintenance as a full set of brakes is included with that.

Limegrntaln

Limegrntaln · 06-02-2022, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Price just went up to $8,500 for the 2023 model. Making them less worth it. Although,

I also have a friend that has steel brakes on his rwd 2021, with 17,000 miles, and like a lot of these cars, it needs rear brakes, already. Dealer quoted him $2,500 for just the rear brake replacement.

Word is the traction control applies the rear brakes as part of the stability control system.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Track days?

17k and already needing the rears done is crazy...

I bet the RWD cars eat rear brakes when tracked

It also makes sense to pay the 800 bucks for the extra maintenance as a full set of brakes is included with that.

It definitely does. It's not available for CCB customers, so, I don't have it. But it's 100% worth the money.

DocWeatherington · 06-02-2022, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

It definitely does. It's not available for CCB customers, so, I don't have it. But it's 100% worth the money.

Too bad BMW can't do a midgrade solution like what Porsche does... A lot of folks would pay 4k for no/low dust and a solid oem braking system.

Limegrntaln · 06-02-2022, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

It definitely does. It's not available for CCB customers, so, I don't have it. But it's 100% worth the money.

Too bad BMW can't do a midgrade solution like what Porsche does... A lot of folks would pay 4k for no/low dust and a solid oem braking system.

100%. Even I probably would have opted for that option.

j23 · 06-10-2022, 10:38 PM

When I order a G80, I will certainly opt for CCB. Here are the pros in my book:

They will likely last the life of the car (which BTW will never see track time). So they will pay for themselves with time.
They look bad ass. Enough said.
Less dust. Standard brakes on all BMW's make the wheels filthy after 20 minutes of driving.
They reduce a lot of unsprung weight, which does improve performance to a small degree. Even if it's just an immeasurable bump in acceleration, it's still there.
Better heat dissipation. Something that can probably be felt on the street in extreme weather during spirited drives. Especially if you live anywhere near hills/mountains.
They squeal. How f***ing cool is that?! - I look forward to squealing brakes. Because race car, even though it's not.

Are they worth $8k? - Yes, I think they are if you're going to keep the car for many years and don't plan to track it. Like I said, they will pay for themselves eventually. If they can last even 80k miles, that's roughly 3 or 4 times longer than standard rotors.

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j23 Lieutenant 655 Rep 501 Posts Drives: 2021 M2C Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: IL iTrader: (0)	When I order a G80, I will certainly opt for CCB. Here are the pros in my book: They will likely last the life of the car (which BTW will never see track time). So they will pay for themselves with time. They look bad ass. Enough said. Less dust. Standard brakes on all BMW's make the wheels filthy after 20 minutes of driving. They reduce a lot of unsprung weight, which does improve performance to a small degree. Even if it's just an immeasurable bump in acceleration, it's still there. Better heat dissipation. Something that can probably be felt on the street in extreme weather during spirited drives. Especially if you live anywhere near hills/mountains. They squeal. How f***ing cool is that?! - I look forward to squealing brakes. Because race car, even though it's not. Are they worth $8k? - Yes, I think they are if you're going to keep the car for many years and don't plan to track it. Like I said, they will pay for themselves eventually. If they can last even 80k miles, that's roughly 3 or 4 times longer than standard rotors.
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