[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

How often does a Porsche get compared to a Lamborghini or Ferrari?

All the time. GT3s and 911 Turbos models get cross-shopped with Lambos and Ferraris regularly. Why wouldn't they? It comes down to the styling, daily-driving capabilities, and durability.

Porsche produces brilliant cars that are ultra refined and sometimes even, dare I say, too clinical. BMW, on the other hand, produces less refined, but thank God, more rugged beasts.

Agreed. Non-GT 911s are almost too capable...with "clinical" being a perfect word.

I don't live on a racetrack so what does it matter if Porsche, no less the GT3, is 15 or 20 second faster around the Ring? Am I ever going to drive there? Most likely not.

Yep, agree. If you're at the track at least 5 to 6 times/year, then you're getting the most out of your GT3. Otherwise, you're just quoting Ring Times for your car as a way to boast, but you never come to close to experiencing that performance yourself. Racing people at stoplights doesn't count.

Would I enjoy a Porsche of any kind? Undoubtedly. Would I get more fun going like a bat out of a cave around windy roads in the hills with the windows down and Phil Collins blasting In The Air Tonight in my CSL? You'd better believe it.

That's all that matters to me

Live well

[cslll]

Interesting reviews, not quite what I'd hoped for. For a number of people the cost of these cars will be a drop in the bucket and simply not part of the equation. For others its a significant investment and, as we tumble headlong into a recession, paying a dealer markup (as most will have to here in the US) of $20k to $100k (yep, dealers in LA are shameless about it) makes it really risky. Mine will be about US$200k delivered with taxes + fees. For those of you in the UK, and given the current exchange rate, that makes it nearly GBP200k Sterling. Yikes.

Comparing it to the 911 GT3 is pretty pointless for the US market as you can't actually buy a GT3 unless you've been on a multi-year waiting list AND you're willing to pay a giant markup or pick up a nearly new one which will be $300k. Very few dealerships sell at MSRP and the supply is so limited that those that do have to rightly prioritize long term customers.

[cslll]

Wow, talk about a completely confused set of reviews across the motoring world! Actually makes them all look a bit silly IMO. I think you either like this car or you don't......but here's what's clear: It's not boring!

Mine moved to "scheduled for production" last night. Excited. Slightly scared!

[lovesm3s]

Originally Posted by cslll

Wow, talk about a completely confused set of reviews across the motoring world! Actually makes them all look a bit silly IMO. I think you either like this car or you don't......but here's what's clear: It's not boring!

Mine moved to "scheduled for production" last night. Excited. Slightly scared!

Congrats! Are you purchasing from BMW fresno? Mine is still in limbo

[Hit_Apex]

Any US deliveries yet with full (standard CSL) buckets?

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

Any US deliveries yet with full (standard CSL) buckets?

Mine's due in Galveston in 7 days, hope to have it in 12-14 around Oct 20

[aj_g80]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

All the time. GT3s and 911 Turbos models get cross-shopped with Lambos and Ferraris regularly. Why wouldn't they? It comes down to the styling, daily-driving capabilities, and durability.



Agreed. Non-GT 911s are almost too capable...with "clinical" being a perfect word.



Yep, agree. If you're at the track at least 5 to 6 times/year, then you're getting the most out of your GT3. Otherwise, you're just quoting Ring Times for your car as a way to boast, but you never come to close to experiencing that performance yourself. Racing people at stoplights doesn't count.

Lol, Porsche can't compare with a true exotic. Nobody is cross shopping a 488, 720, even a 600LT with a Turbo S or gt3..


2RS, different story.. that's all porsche has, everything else is childs play. Everyone just sucks up this whole "porsche this, porsche that" thing. Great cars, and a step above BMW of course, but still quite a few steps below true exotics. Ask anyone whose driven (real seat time) a 488, or 720, and 600LT, Porsche can't compare. (Again, 2RS is exception)

[HudsonHornett]

Originally Posted by aj_g80

Lol, Porsche can't compare with a true exotic. Nobody is cross shopping a 488, 720, even a 600LT with a Turbo S or gt3..


2RS, different story.. that's all porsche has, everything else is childs play. Everyone just sucks up this whole "porsche this, porsche that" thing. Great cars, and a step above BMW of course, but still quite a few steps below true exotics. Ask anyone whose driven (real seat time) a 488, or 720, and 600LT, Porsche can't compare. (Again, 2RS is exception)

Originally Posted by aj_g80

Lol, Porsche can't compare with a true exotic. Nobody is cross shopping a 488, 720, even a 600LT with a Turbo S or gt3..


2RS, different story.. that's all porsche has, everything else is childs play. Everyone just sucks up this whole "porsche this, porsche that" thing. Great cars, and a step above BMW of course, but still quite a few steps below true exotics. Ask anyone whose driven (real seat time) a 488, or 720, and 600LT, Porsche can't compare. (Again, 2RS is exception)

I think the 3RS also competes. The atmospheric engine is definitely a step up from the offerings from Ferrari or McLaren. It also handles incredibly well, and would probably spank either the Ferrari or the McLaren on track in spite of the straight line speed deficit.

[aj_g80]

Originally Posted by HudsonHornett

I think the 3RS also competes. The atmospheric engine is definitely a step up from the offerings from Ferrari or McLaren. It also handles incredibly well, and would probably spank either the Ferrari or the McLaren on track in spite of the straight line speed deficit.

in truth, i did forget about 3RS. Another great car from Porsche.


3RS is comparable to 600LT, but wouldn't be able to hang with 720 in any regard.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by aj_g80

in truth, i did forget about 3RS. Another great car from Porsche.


3RS is comparable to 600LT, but wouldn't be able to hang with 720 in any regard.

on track
gt3 vs 720 is driver error
gt3rs will stomp it down the drain

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/t9t4ml3lu5hr

of course with 220 more HP the 720 will be faster in a straight line but the GT3 is a road course car not a drag racer or top speed car.

they are different cars with different purposes and I know more than several that have both for that reason. don't want only one tool in the toolbox. sometimes you gotta hammer and sometimes you need to screw.

[IMG]

Finally received a vin and in production

[HudsonHornett]

Originally Posted by IMG

Finally received a vin and in production

Awesome news!

[DO444]

Originally Posted by beden1

Having owned a Corvette ZO6 and continually reading about new cars and technologies producing more HP and quicker 1/4-mile times, how do you CSL owners feel when you see even BMW producing electric cars that may snatch you from the top perch? For me waiting for my '23 M4 Competition xDrive Coupe, I know I will have a great road handling car that has exceptional acceleration, but I paid $50K less than you did. I'm just asking for a friend and to start an interesting conversation.

My 2c,

From what top perch?
Not like the CSL is going to be the fastest car in the world, no one thinks that.

EV and ICE are not in a race.
That was done long ago an EV is the king of the straight line.
Eventually EV will be the king of every performance metric (except possibly driving enjoyment), so what?

For right now, the CSL is a great car.

There’s also a lot of joy to be had in an ICE car, without it being the best of the spreadsheet.

Believe it or not, people actually enjoy the sound of an engine and the intricacies, driving dynamics of an ICE / transmission vehicle.

I don’t get the constant comparison as if the only metric that matters is straight line speed. They are not the same. EV will always win that if it tries.

EV is faster, the end.
If that’s all you care about, for sure get an EV.
You can go breakneck speed from 0-60 or higher.
I feel like we are at the point where all cars are more than fast enough 0-60, and EV is going to be the only game in town soon… can’t we just enjoy the end of an era?

EV absolutely wins the performance metric.
I could easily afford to buy a plaid with the money I’m spending on an M3, I’m mostly there.

I do not want an EV.
I don’t think anyone should even bother worrying about that EV will be faster, of course they will.

That’s only part of what makes a car fun, speed.
For the price of the csl, anyone could get a much faster car. I doubt they are buying it for straight line ultimate domination. It’ll still be plenty fast.


My 2c.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by beden1

Having owned a Corvette ZO6 and continually reading about new cars and technologies producing more HP and quicker 1/4-mile times, how do you CSL owners feel when you see even BMW producing electric cars that may snatch you from the top perch? For me waiting for my '23 M4 Competition xDrive Coupe, I know I will have a great road handling car that has exceptional acceleration, but I paid $50K less than you did. I'm just asking for a friend and to start an interesting conversation.

My 2c,

From what top perch?
Not like the CSL is going to be the fastest car in the world, no one thinks that.....

EV and ICE are not in a race.....

EV is faster, the end.


My 2c.

To be taken seriously, you'll have to put in your 3¢; two just won't suffice anymore (allowing for inflation)

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

To be taken seriously, you'll have to put in your 3¢; two just won't suffice anymore (allowing for inflation)

[PLF69]

I'm sorry guys but I have to declare something....


I love ya all, seriously, I get emotional about cars but I if I told ya about be would be subjected about me ye, if I wanted all whiteout you involved, guess it would be for nothing...

[PLF69]

Did your really get it ?

I aint sure the csl gets as much press as we would like...

[HudsonHornett]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I'm sorry guys but I have to declare something....


I love ya all, seriously, I get emotional about cars but I if I told ya about be would be subjected about me ye, if I wanted all whiteout you involved, guess it would be for nothing...

You been on the sauce chap? Don't understand this post at all!

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by HudsonHornett

You been on the sauce chap? Don't understand this post at all!

Guess that explains the empty gin bottle I found this morning 🤣

[cslll]

Have any owners attempted the removal of the red stripes yet? So many cars in the US were specced by dealers didn't take the stripe removal option......and in my opinion they look pretty tacky. I am sure there'll be a whole thread about this at some point but I am wondering if anyone already has some insight? Perhaps a professional body shop could tackle it? Would hate to permanently F-up the paint though....

[IMG]

Originally Posted by cslll

Have any owners attempted the removal of the red stripes yet? So many cars in the US were specced by dealers didn't take the stripe removal option......and in my opinion they look pretty tacky. I am sure there'll be a whole thread about this at some point but I am wondering if anyone already has some insight? Perhaps a professional body shop could tackle it? Would hate to permanently F-up the paint though....

It's just red vinyl that anyone can peel off no problem.
I ordered mine without it.

[padrino]

Originally Posted by IMG

It's just red vinyl that anyone can peel off no problem.
I ordered mine without it.

I have one in hand, and can say they do not feel like applied vinyl… I like them so not going to remove them but they don’t feel like say a wrap would with vinyl edges…