[dimab0]

Curious about others experience when the temperatures drop excessively (or for that matter, when outside is way too hot but I think that has fewer symptoms?).

For me, the car seems fine once it is driven for ~5-10min, but in those first minutes when it is still warming up....I feel like I have issues with clutch being less responsive. When it's super cold, clutch almost feels a bit sticky to release. (I have a manual). Even if I remote start or run the car for ~10min before driving, I think transmission doesn't warm up at all until I start moving.

That said, once warm the car seems totally fine, and I've done my fair share of sliding around in the snow for fun, and the car has no issues with snow packing up any vents or openings too badly.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by dimab0

Even if I remote start

How do you remote start the car?

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by dimab0

Curious about others experience when the temperatures drop excessively (or for that matter, when outside is way too hot but I think that has fewer symptoms?).

For me, the car seems fine once it is driven for ~5-10min, but in those first minutes when it is still warming up....I feel like I have issues with clutch being less responsive. When it's super cold, clutch almost feels a bit sticky to release. (I have a manual). Even if I remote start or run the car for ~10min before driving, I think transmission doesn't warm up at all until I start moving.

That said, once warm the car seems totally fine, and I've done my fair share of sliding around in the snow for fun, and the car has no issues with snow packing up any vents or openings too badly.

The gearbox oil is thicker than motor oil and needs minutes and a few kilometers or miles of use to fully warm up. Idling to warm up a car is the worst way to warm it. Get in, start, drive reasonably until the car is warm. You have oil temp gauge to see this temp and then it takes time for the gearbox to really be ready. Read your owners manual as well. Your max avail rev is noted on the RPM readout as well and you can watch that increase as the car warms up.

[dimab0]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

How do you remote start the car?

I purchased the feature when it was briefly available back in late 2021. I don't think you can do so at this point.

[dimab0]

Originally Posted by DSTR

Get in, start, drive reasonably until the car is warm. You have oil temp gauge to see this temp and then it takes time for the gearbox to really be ready.

I do find it ironic that with the cooling features designed into these cars, they take forever to warm up to normal operating temp. As compared any other non-M vehicle.

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by dimab0

I purchased the feature when it was briefly available back in late 2021. I don't think you can do so at this point.

there's no remote start on the manual

how do you remote start?

[dimab0]

Originally Posted by GrannyShiftG80

there's no remote start on the manual

how do you remote start?

There was, for a short time in 2021. I start it from BMW app or from my keyfob. It's no longer available to add now.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by DSTR

The gearbox oil is thicker than motor oil and needs minutes and a few kilometers or miles of use to fully warm up. Idling to warm up a car is the worst way to warm it. Get in, start, drive reasonably until the car is warm. You have oil temp gauge to see this temp and then it takes time for the gearbox to really be ready. Read your owners manual as well. Your max avail rev is noted on the RPM readout as well and you can watch that increase as the car warms up.

Depend on the outside temp. I warm up the car for 5 mins before I start driving when the temp is -10 C. It even took about 20 mins of general driving until the oil temp reach the opt. temp.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by dimab0

I do find it ironic that with the cooling features designed into these cars, they take forever to warm up to normal operating temp. As compared any other non-M vehicle.

Same here. When the outside temp is -10 C, it took at least 20 mins of general driving to warm up the oil to opt. temp. That part is killing me

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by dimab0

There was, for a short time in 2021. I start it from BMW app or from my keyfob. It's no longer available to add now.

and it works?

what if your in first gear

[xxyion]

Originally Posted by dimab0

There was, for a short time in 2021. I start it from BMW app or from my keyfob. It's no longer available to add now.

Is this just for the base M4? I have remote start on mine but i have a Comp XDrive

[dimab0]

Originally Posted by xxyion

Is this just for the base M4? I have remote start on mine but i have a Comp XDrive

This is regarding manual transmission, M3 or M4.

[dimab0]

Originally Posted by GrannyShiftG80

and it works?

what if your in first gear

It works. It does not try to start if in gear.

[astroricardo]

I have an xD and it doesn't get too cold here. I will notice some mild tire slip pulling out of the neighborhood but that's about it.

[Habber]

Originally Posted by dimab0

Curious about others experience when the temperatures drop excessively (or for that matter, when outside is way too hot but I think that has fewer symptoms?).

For me, the car seems fine once it is driven for ~5-10min, but in those first minutes when it is still warming up....I feel like I have issues with clutch being less responsive. When it's super cold, clutch almost feels a bit sticky to release. (I have a manual). Even if I remote start or run the car for ~10min before driving, I think transmission doesn't warm up at all until I start moving.

That said, once warm the car seems totally fine, and I've done my fair share of sliding around in the snow for fun, and the car has no issues with snow packing up any vents or openings too badly.

Doesn’t that apply to all cars? I know all my manuals react the same in cold weather.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by dimab0

It works. It does not try to start if in gear.

That's wild..... never heard of a manual car remote starting. Wonder why they got rid of the feature.

Anyway - to answer your other question - yeah I do feel the clutch is mushy and even a bit sticky when first driving in super cold weather. I'm also in Chicagoland so I'm feeling this cold (although I haven't driven my M3 in a few weeks - been driving the beater around). But I didn't really think anything of it as the clutch goes back to normal after a minute or two of driving.

[dimab0]

Originally Posted by Habber

Doesn’t that apply to all cars? I know all my manuals react the same in cold weather.

I guess all of my other manuals warm up much more quickly. I have an old Miata that is ready to race after 1-2 quick minutes. As someone else mentioned, my M4 doesn't even get oil up to temp after a 20min drive in this weather.

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by DSTR

The gearbox oil is thicker than motor oil and needs minutes and a few kilometers or miles of use to fully warm up. Idling to warm up a car is the worst way to warm it. Get in, start, drive reasonably until the car is warm. You have oil temp gauge to see this temp and then it takes time for the gearbox to really be ready. Read your owners manual as well. Your max avail rev is noted on the RPM readout as well and you can watch that increase as the car warms up.

Isnt clutch fluid just brake fluid?

[tju2]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Isnt clutch fluid just brake fluid?

Clutch fluid is brake fluid, but [manual] transmission fluid (what you feel in the stick) is not. One is for the clutch engagement, the transmission fluid is the lubrication for the gears themselves. Transmission fluid takes a lot longer to warm up versus engine oil, and it's generally much thicker (more so when cold). This is another reason why "idling" a car too long to warm it up isn't really useful because the other fluids (transmission, differential) don't warm up at the same rate, especially when idling.

Drive slow, shift slow, baby the car until ALL components are fully warm. If it's super cold, just baby it the whole trip.

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by tju2

Clutch fluid is brake fluid, but [manual] transmission fluid (what you feel in the stick) is not. One is for the clutch engagement, the transmission fluid is the lubrication for the gears themselves. Transmission fluid takes a lot longer to warm up versus engine oil, and it's generally much thicker (more so when cold). This is another reason why "idling" a car too long to warm it up isn't really useful because the other fluids (transmission, differential) don't warm up at the same rate, especially when idling.

Drive slow, shift slow, baby the car until ALL components are fully warm. If it's super cold, just baby it the whole trip.

Ya I got it. The OP was describing his clutch being sticky not his shifter.

[aremmell]

I found that my brand new (<1K miles) M4 seems to have a stuck or frozen parking brake when first transitioning from stationary to moving backward out of the garage, even after warm-up. I can feel tension build up, and it makes a slight pop sound and then I'm good to go.

Otherwise it's been totally fine in the cold.

[Ximian]

Car has seen a few winters now with no issues apart from the noisy belt once in a while. At below 0 degrees F, the car never gets to the normal operating temperature. Did an hour and a half driving mixed on highway and regular roads, but oil temp was around 180F. I'll need to look into blocking off the radiators somehow.