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Agreed and agreed - or at least the GTA if we are not getting the GTAm. I sometimes have a hard time making decisions on cars and the G80 has been wonderful but just want something a bit more fun and engaging even though I know I'll love the manual I still think the QV is a feast of the senses.
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I never thought BMW made great quality interiors up until the G80, which is good, not great. All my previous M3s (7 of them now) and M5C were all subpar when it came to quality IMO (lots of rattles, cheap plastic). Not saying the QV is a Porsche decked in leather but it's quite nice and the changes they made are noticeable. |
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I have a friend who was shopping for an SUV and he bought the stelvio QV over a Macan and X3M because of the drive and overall package and then decided he didnt want to drive an SUV but only lost 3K on the trade value so they do well on that front now too. There are 2018s still selling used for mid 50s...a new one back then was like 70-80 before the discounts (which were quite good then). |
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but alas I chose 5 seats, cheap and comfort (discounted used M550i) over the CS so i don't bankrupt .... |
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05-25-2023, 08:33 PM | #51 | |
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With regards to mods - it’s tough to say. As someone that has spent around way too much in mods (I could’ve bought a new Mercedes C300 with the amount I’ve spent so far), I definitely understand it feeling like an endless desire to continue to add, but it depends on your use case and your ability to exercise self restraint. My G80 is my only car and I plan on keeping it for a while, so I had to get a set of winter wheels, coilovers to truly enjoy the car on track, SSK, CDV delete, set of tyres for the track, experimenting with exhausts to get the perfect sound, etc. but if I could redo everything, I’d definitely save a boat load of money by buying what I feel are the essentials. My essential mods for a fun and engaging car (many will disagree but it’s just IMO): Suspension: KW V3’s Fall Line/Millway/DINAN spherical bearings (also called monoball conversion, 100% absolute must for anyone that wants to feel the roads through their steering wheel and not just the chassis) Exhaust: AA/VT EL midpipe, depending on if you want rowdy raspy or less rasp and more bass 200 cell/catless downpipes from MAD, depending on tastes Misc: Spacers for stock wheels Piggyback or flash tune depending on your power level wants and needs Change of tyres depending on your driving style and preferences (I’ve personally fallen in love with Goodyear’s Eagle F1 Supercar 3) CDV delete & BMS clutch stop for 6MT owners That’s it. I’m not sponsored by anyone so I have nothing to gain by recommending the aforementioned parts. CF exterior parts aren’t essential, engine bay bling isn’t needed, no you don’t need intakes, no you don’t need yellow/RGB DRL’s - it’s all, IMHO, superfluous. Trust me, I know You could add the amount spent on those aforementioned mods and still have a lot of money leftover, and you’d have, arguably, a better car than the M3CS. Sure, it won’t be as rare, but if you don’t care for it then your wallet will thank you and you’ll have a car that’s to your tastes. So I strongly don’t think the CS is worth a G80 M3 + $50k on top. If you care about how rare it is and enjoy driving something that’s special because of how rare it is then by all means, go for it. But if you’re just looking for a better M3 experience, I see very little reason to trade in at all.. especially with the aftermarket parts list growing. The only viable scenario is wanting to retain the OEM warranty. /superunnecessarylongpost
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....Like that car (..or the E46 in general) was considered light back then. People tend to romanticize the past. The E46 M3 CSL is 240 lbs. lighter than the regular car, which was considered a porker back then. The current G82 CSL is about 240 lbs. lighter than the regular car as well.
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05-25-2023, 08:59 PM | #53 | |
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- stiffer springs/coilover conversion/whole kit whatever your taste. Stock is a bit too comfy for any serious driving. - valve controller + code asd out is totally fine, add stuff if you want louder. Stock is uneventful to say the least, I think my M340i had more sound. - CDV delete + shifter kit Much more focused and characterful your G8X has become with these simple few changes.
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05-26-2023, 02:41 AM | #55 |
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Great video and should give a lot of guys/gals confidence who are waiting on their car!
I was considering doing a basic review to help out the folks waiting on their cars. I’m only at 400mi and was going to wait until after break in so I didn’t have to lie about my revs lol jk My review would’ve been garbage in comparison so I’m glad this came out and I’m off the hook. I have a GT4 that I track some as well as daily drive .. and so far the M3CS has surprised me with its willingness to change direction and that it feels much lighter than the huge weight suggests. I’ve been pleasantly surprised with how fun the car is with the feel, sounds, transmission responsiveness/programming, daily comfort with amenities and low road noise, and of course the speed is fun (“Lim” button is cool … do other new M cars have that?). I can’t wait to get it on the track and really open it up. I haven’t driven a G80 for comparison but I definitely agree with the assessments discussed in the video. One thing I noticed but hadn't looked into was that this is definitely the most aggressive stock alignment of any car I’ve had. I’m glad y’all addressed that! |
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This was a great review. Makes me look even more forward to a G87 M2 CS one day.
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The Giulia QV is truly the 4 door Ferrari they never made. Ferrari engine, suspension done by the Chief engineer of the 458 so it dances and has the power train too. Thanks for the mods and overview. If I kee my G80 I will certainly need to look into doing some mods and installing some of the things I have just sitting around now too (CSL grill, front lip). |
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Love that you checked the weight
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I know alot of people wrote this in reviews, and it was hard for me to believe as well, until i drove it. I expect the M3 CS will be something similar. |
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Im sure there are 44 M5 CSs in the UK, after checking, which is very, very few. I could hit myself in the face for cancelling my M5 CS order, and taking an m5 Competition with CCBS, and M Pro pack, thinking i wouldnt be missing anything. Ive looked for one every week since then, and cannot find one, i would want to buy
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For what it’s worth the 2018 M3 CS was less harsh and more compliant than the same year M3 comp. Seems to be a theme across line based on owner drive reports.
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