['Cane]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Production numbers as of early May:

G80: 25K
G82: 24K
G83: 7K

(My reply about "1:1" was when I looked at the US market only at first, these numbers are for the whole world so the ratio is a bit different.)

Where are those numbers from?

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

Where are those numbers from?

The dude is like the Bimmerpost resident BMW insider source. If he’s providing those numbers I’d say that is about as close as you are going to get without having a BMW PR rep give them to you.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by chicagofan00

The dude is like the Bimmerpost resident BMW insider source. If he’s providing those numbers I’d say that is about as close as you are going to get without having a BMW PR rep give them to you.

Still don’t buy it, BMW is going to take 13 years of data where the coupe sells 4:1+ more than the sedan and just say… no, this is the gen that the sedan is king. Also, according to cars.com and car gurus.com there’s more than 2:1 M4 vs M3 available.

[AYounglove10]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

Still don’t buy it, BMW is going to take 13 years of data where the coupe sells 4:1+ more than the sedan and just say… no, this is the gen that the sedan is king. Also, according to cars.com and car gurus.com there’s more than 2:1 M4 vs M3 available.

Again, we’re talking G8X. Not 13 years of historical data.

M3 is far less likely to trade/flip quickly, especially given the wait times people have had to endure to order. M4 is a lifestyle vehicle. Read: not a necessity. I drive my m4 daily, and so do plenty of others but again, as many of us have stated, there is a larger market of m3 buyers of this generation than m4. Especially compared to prior generations, especially now that XDrive is on offer.

The demographics have changed with this generation. BMW is pulling folks from Audi and other makes more than before due to the wide spread of abilities and usability. There are literal thousands of people coming into the G8X platform where they were previously alienated due to the (perceived) need for AWD. Your 13 years of historical data (e9x, F8X) does not apply.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by r0wr

JRZ/MCS coils and a tune will easily make a civic drive better on a track than a CS. Please don’t make it seem like the CS isn’t mostly a bins part special. Sure, it’s more than the sum it’s parts. But there is no change to the drive train. It’s the equivalent of going from a 911 base to 911 GTS, at best.

Lol. Ok… like I said before….

[24M3CS]

Originally Posted by AYounglove10

Again, we’re talking G8X. Not 13 years of historical data.

M3 is far less likely to trade/flip quickly, especially given the wait times people have had to endure to order. M4 is a lifestyle vehicle. Read: not a necessity. I drive my m4 daily, and so do plenty of others but again, as many of us have stated, there is a larger market of m3 buyers of this generation than m4. Especially compared to prior generations, especially now that XDrive is on offer.

The demographics have changed with this generation. BMW is pulling folks from Audi and other makes more than before due to the wide spread of abilities and usability. There are literal thousands of people coming into the G8X platform where they were previously alienated due to the (perceived) need for AWD. Your 13 years of historical data (e9x, F8X) does not apply.

^ this.

I was an Audi guy for nearly 2 decades due to my preference for AWD in a high performance daily driver living in a cold state. I agree that the g8x has helped with BMW conquest from Audi, MB etc. also it’s sheer size and price gain have pushed it into baby M5 catagory.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

Still don’t buy it, BMW is going to take 13 years of data where the coupe sells 4:1+ more than the sedan and just say… no, this is the gen that the sedan is king. Also, according to cars.com and car gurus.com there’s more than 2:1 M4 vs M3 available.

The actual production numbers are approximately 2:1 (F82/F83 : F80).

['Cane]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

The actual production numbers are approximately 2:1 (F82/F83 : F80).

111,000 - 34,000 = 3.25:1 and that's without F83

https://machineswithsouls.com/2022/0...-buyers-guide/

The F82 was produced from 2014 through 2019 in Germany at a different plant from the F80 M3, with over 111,000 worldwide.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1551939

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

111,000 - 34,000 = 3.25:1 and that's without F83

SickFinga's numbers are correct. Until a few years ago, we used to cooperate; we had complementary interests. I know his methods and even use some of his tools. His data matches mine. That random article about F82s, otoh, is way off. There were ~57K F82s made, and ~20K F83s.

Note that if you add these numbers and the 34K of F80s, you do get the 111K stated in the article.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by saudisinaudis

Whats the difference between it and the CSL? Is the CSL more exclusive and lightweight?

Rear seats and AWD.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by BeamerBoomer

True, but compared to a 911, the model variations are still a few only. And nobody ever complaint about those. And one sells better than the other.

When you factor the entire 3/4-series lineup, it's just as broad as the 911.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

My25 is an interesting model year

So regular m3 and m4 x drive are gong to be 525HP

Is CS staying at 543 HP. OR Are they upping it as well?

525hp is in DIN, the CS/CSL have 550hp DIN (25 more hp).

[buckybadger]

BMW is not an exclusive brand like Ferrari or Lamborghini. Don’t expect much, all modern BMWs will depreciate, just at different rates.

[BlueBeamer]

So will it be new hp plus the 43?
Curious if vs current xdrive M4 comp it would then be up like 70hp combined with less weight should mean solid mid to high 10s in quarter.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by 24M3CS

^ this.

I was an Audi guy for nearly 2 decades due to my preference for AWD in a high performance daily driver living in a cold state. I agree that the g8x has helped with BMW conquest from Audi, MB etc. also it’s sheer size and price gain have pushed it into baby M5 catagory.

Sure but the key customer for true BMW M cars w Xdrive would be coming from Audi Rs vehicles... Audi RS is absolutely tiny in comparison to bmw m... which is actually larger than all of Acura... no joke.

[Wanted_M]

Originally Posted by spool twice

Sounds like my ticket back into the M4 world, I miss my F82 M4cs, such a great handler and made for a nice daily surprisingly.

What up Lo, didn't know you sold the CS. Back to four rings?

[HudsonHornett]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

BMW is not an exclusive brand like Ferrari or Lamborghini. Don’t expect much, all modern BMWs will depreciate, just at different rates.

Totally agree, just like the BMW Z8, E46 M3 CSL and 507, oh wait...

[vj123]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Sure but the key customer for true BMW M cars w Xdrive would be coming from Audi Rs vehicles... Audi RS is absolutely tiny in comparison to bmw m... which is actually larger than all of Acura... no joke.

Based on this thread, almost 60% people say its there first M car and they are coming from almost every brand.
https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1836064

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by HudsonHornett

Totally agree, just like the BMW Z8, E46 M3 CSL and 507, oh wait...

Not anymore, the EV revolution will take over, these older cars will start to loose value. Nothing stays the same. The new generation doesn’t value them, they like EVs and tech, and folks like you are not gonna be there forever to pay premium. Just being realistic!

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by vj123

Based on this thread, almost 60% people say its there first M car and they are coming from almost every brand.
https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1836064

which boggles my mind and tells me most people genuinely don't know what they are buying... even for me who is coming from other M cars, the M3 is not what I expected (i posted a review in the xdrive sticky).

This is also probably why so many people sell so many of these cars so quick w low mileage... especially now since few can be test driven.

[BlueBeamer]

I am a converted American car owner:
Dodge charger hellcat
Z06
Grand sport Z07
Zl1 1le

In the past five years. My brother convinced me try a awd bmw.

Likely staying the German path now for a while and complement it with my c8 z06.

BMW or Porsche go forward is my bet for me

[vj123]

Originally Posted by ASAP

even for me who is coming from other M cars, the M3 is not what I expected (i posted a review in the xdrive sticky).

I saw your post earlier and going to respond later in the night as i sold my G80 for the exact same reason.