[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by vim

Wow so no laser lights??

Same confusion here.

Idk if i believe this leak

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by Evinrude1975

Cashcow

I felt this tweet.

Inflation be crazy.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by BeamerBoomer

True, but compared to a 911, the model variations are still a few only. And nobody ever complaint about those. And one sells better than the other.

I was going to reply with basically this exact same post. As if the porsche forums are complaining about the Gt2

Please spare me

I should probably just go to bed before the Florida Panthers win the Stanley Cup and dilute the Stanley cup eye roll.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by AYounglove10

Operative phrase “two fewer doors”. That means quite a lot to most people…

No, not most M (G8X) buyers, that’s why M4 outsells M3 by like 5:1. I wouldn’t buy an M3CS, but I might look into M4CS.

[AYounglove10]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

No, not most M (G8X) buyers, that’s why M4 outsells M3 by like 5:1. I wouldn’t buy an M3CS, but I might look into M4CS.

You’re making my point in reverse…I am in that same boat. Which is why I said M4 CS shouldn’t cannibalize M3 CS values. There are folks that want only coupes, the same as there are those that want want/need only sedans. Good thing we have the choice between the two.

Also, you’re firmly mistaken to say the M4 outsells the M3 5:1. That is patently false, and likely reverse. Go to any BMW dealer and I guarantee the wait for a G80 allocation is far longer than a G82.

[breezyrc15]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

No, not most M (G8X) buyers, that’s why M4 outsells M3 by like 5:1. I wouldn’t buy an M3CS, but I might look into M4CS.

The M3 is completely outselling the M4… there’s way fewer buyers out there for a $90-$100k 2 door BMW coupe than there are for a $80-$90k 4 door sedan. At the $100+k mark, the M4 buyers are cross shopping Porsches, at least that’s what my gut is telling me.
In terms of real numbers, call any large bmw dealership and you’ll realize the wait list for M3 orders is much longer than for M4 orders.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by AYounglove10

You’re making my point in reverse…I am in that same boat. Which is why I said M4 CS shouldn’t cannibalize M3 CS values. There are folks that want only coupes, the same as there are those that want want/need only sedans. Good thing we have the choice between the two.

Also, you’re firmly mistaken to say the M4 outsells the M3 5:1. That is patently false, and likely reverse. Go to any BMW dealer and I guarantee the wait for a G80 allocation is far longer than a G82.

Originally Posted by breezyrc15

The M3 is completely outselling the M4… there’s way fewer buyers out there for a $90-$100k 2 door BMW coupe than there are for a $80-$90k 4 door sedan. At the $100+k mark, the M4 buyers are cross shopping Porsches, at least that’s what my gut is telling me.
In terms of real numbers, call any large bmw dealership and you’ll realize the wait list for M3 orders is much longer than for M4 orders.

You are both wrong, history backs this up too, but the 2 door variant has always outsold the 4 door many times over, and BMW doesn’t manufacture as many 4 doors as a result. You are both taking long waits for allocations as higher demand, but it’s the opposite, long waits for allocations because production is 1/5 that of M4.

[bgalway]

The g80 is the first time the 4 door looks better than the 2. I don’t have stats but I see 5+ g80’s to 1 g82

[AYounglove10]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

You are both wrong, history backs this up too, but the 2 door variant has always outsold the 4 door many times over, and BMW doesn’t manufacture as many 4 doors as a result. You are both taking long waits for allocations as higher demand, but it’s the opposite, long waits for allocations because production is 1/5 that of M4.

If you’re talking historically, as in all models of the M3/4 since the 80s, then you’re still wrong (def NOT 5:1 and we’ll discount the variants where bmw didn’t make a 4 door at all, as in e30/e46) but that’s not what we’re talking about here. We’re talking G8X.

Just look at the pics section on this forum…70-80% G80. Because there’s a much larger market and number of buyers for this model.

Not sure what world you’re living in where you think any model with both a 2 door and 4 door model that the 2 door outsells the 4 door.

[SeanWRT]

The M variants and the 911 variants are different. The M tweaks the engine map, damper/spring rates, adds a few carbon bits and call it a CS/CSL. 911 does substantially more - new engine, new body kit and new chassis (at least vastly different).

Both are for cash cow, but there is much more value in going up with the 911.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by r0wr

Here come the fanboys who think the CS is gonna be some amazing version that’s vastly different than the civic. CS gonna depreciate like all the other M cars before it.

And here come the uneducated who claim they can make a CS for cheaper with a tune and a few cosmetic parts.

[r0wr]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

And here come the uneducated who claim they can make CS for cheaper with a tune and a few cosmetic parts.

JRZ/MCS coils and a tune will easily make a civic drive better on a track than a CS. Please don’t make it seem like the CS isn’t mostly a bins part special. Sure, it’s more than the sum it’s parts. But there is no change to the drive train. It’s the equivalent of going from a 911 base to 911 GTS, at best.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Same confusion here.

Idk if i believe this leak

It's not a leak, it's part of the regular upcoming models research done by ynguldyn .

Also, BMW has pretty much phased out laser (head-)lights, so I wonder whether that comment was a propos the bespoke M4 CSL laser taillights? Sounds like the M4 CS will get the regular M4 LCI head and tail lights to me, but maybe ynguldyn can clarify at some point.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by AYounglove10

You’re making my point in reverse…I am in that same boat. Which is why I said M4 CS shouldn’t cannibalize M3 CS values. There are folks that want only coupes, the same as there are those that want want/need only sedans. Good thing we have the choice between the two.

Also, you’re firmly mistaken to say the M4 outsells the M3 5:1. That is patently false, and likely reverse. Go to any BMW dealer and I guarantee the wait for a G80 allocation is far longer than a G82.

The real ratio is very close to parity if you include G83 on the M4 side.

[breezyrc15]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

You are both wrong, history backs this up too, but the 2 door variant has always outsold the 4 door many times over, and BMW doesn’t manufacture as many 4 doors as a result. You are both taking long waits for allocations as higher demand, but it’s the opposite, long waits for allocations because production is 1/5 that of M4.

There’s only been a M4 series for 2 generations. The current M4 is at such a high price that the buyers are a different class of individual than the M3 buyers (the M4 buyers are more likely single with no kids, high income, possibly younger demographic who is cross shopping Porsches).
I can’t find the invidual model m sales as bmw groups all the 3 series models and 4 series models together for sales, but I guarantee that the G80 M3 is absolutely outselling the G82 M4. To say otherwise is to have little to no understanding of the market, the demand, and the buyer profiles.

As for the G83, that model is not selling well. They are sitting at dealerships and you can get great deals on them.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by AYounglove10

I think the M4 and M3 CS’s are really for different people though. They aren’t making any more M3 CS. I specifically did not shoot for the M3 CS because I wanted a 2 door. And the CSL was both out of my price range and too raw for my tastes to be my daily.

I don’t think the M4 CS will cannibalize M3 CS values at all. Different cars for different needs. There are plenty of people who do not want/can not have a 2 door only vehicle. They’ll be forced to look into the used M3 CS market.

They are making more M3CS’ after the LCI

[robopp]

Originally Posted by BeamerBoomer

True, but compared to a 911, the model variations are still a few only. And nobody ever complaint about those. And one sells better than the other.

The 911 has what 5 different unique engines and something like 8 models. BMW just slaps cf parts and tweaks their ‘special’ cars. Porsche completely overhauls their models. BMW should have thrown different turbos or something on their S58. Instead they tweaked the maps and bumped the price significantly.

[breezyrc15]

A few things I would like to see for the M4 CS, although I know these are probably not going to happen:

- Upgraded turbo
- Laser tail lights
- Factory adjustable coilovers
- Stainless steel brake lines
- Alcantara instead of leather for many surfaces
- Carbon fiber instead of gloss black plastic in many places (like the air vent covers)

[GOLFFRR]

[stunt2402]

Originally Posted by robopp

They are making more M3CS’ after the LCI

Source?

[MKParris]

Originally Posted by breezyrc15

A few things I would like to see for the M4 CS, although I know these are probably not going to happen:

- Upgraded turbo
- Laser tail lights
- Factory adjustable coilovers
- Stainless steel brake lines
- Alcantara instead of leather for many surfaces
- Carbon fiber instead of gloss black plastic in many places (like the air vent covers)

Id like an m3 cs rs too.

[boofi]

Interesting. I remember a graphic a while ago that BMW put out. It talked about how they want to have a line up that was base, M performance, M, M Competition, M Competition Sport? (CS), and M Competition Sport Light? (CSL)

I think this generation 4 series the first one to have all of those trims?